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hananl

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi,
I need to design an AM transmitter as a vlsi project (it needs to be
located on smart dust later on).
Does anyone have any good suggestions were to start from? I am familiar
with vlsi, but don't really know how to implement such a big idea, into
a vlsi simulation and circuit design.
Looking on trasmitter's schemes didn't help, 'cause that's all
resistors, amplifiers and capacitors. How do I translate it into vlsi
design?
Be very glad to any guidance...
Thanks.
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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hananl said:
Hi,
I need to design an AM transmitter as a vlsi project (it needs to be
located on smart dust later on).


You would need to provide more info: Frequency, power level, supply
power budget, what's it modulated with, allowed distortion, regulatory
requirements (harmonics etc.)...

Does anyone have any good suggestions were to start from? I am familiar
with vlsi, but don't really know how to implement such a big idea, into
a vlsi simulation and circuit design.
Looking on trasmitter's schemes didn't help, 'cause that's all
resistors, amplifiers and capacitors. How do I translate it into vlsi
design?


Look at what your available chip technology offers here. Then you might
have to familiarize yourself with class-D amplifier technology, PWM
schemes, synthesizing of envelopes etc. It also helps to look at how
very modern AM transmitters in the "big league" work. The days of the
classic big old plate modulator are numbered ;-)
 
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hananl

Jan 1, 1970
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The reason I don't have any specifications yet, beacuse I am on the
begining of my project. Now all i want is to learn how to approach
this. Maybe to read examples for vlsi projects related to trasmiters.
Maybe to hear about a good book/pdf with examples and good explanations
how to implement a reciever with a vlsi design.
generally, it's for smart dust, so the power is very low, around
several mili volts, frequecny:
An amplitude modulated signal for typical AM broadcasts consists of a
sinusoid with a frequency in a range from 0.535 MHz to 1.604 MHz having
an amplitude
that is varied (modulated) by an audio signal with frequencies of 20 Hz
to 5KHz.
 
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Ancient_Hacker

Jan 1, 1970
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hananl said:
Hi,
I need to design an AM transmitter as a vlsi project

Do you mean a transmitter in the US AM broadcast band? 550 to 1620
KHz...

Methinks you and your advisor should consider a few points:

(1) An AM transmitter is usually implemented using rather simple
analog techniques.
One transistor as an oscillator, either LC or crystal controlled.
Another transistor as a series modulator. Total parts count: under a
dozen parts. You could do this on an IC I guess, but it's nowhere near
VLSI. And to meet FCC regulations you'll need a LC tuned circuit of
non-negligible size, so the space-saving aspect of VLSI won't be of
much help.

(2) You could do it digitally, but even then you just have a clock, a
phase accumulator register, an adder and a multiplying D/A converter.
Hmm, not all that much digital there either.
(it needs to be located on smart dust later on).

Quite a few challenges there--- a transmitter requires a few milliwatts
of DC power, hard to do on a dust speck. Plus a transmitter requires
an antenna, preferably of a quarter-wavelength or more-- that's a lot
larger than dust-size in the AM band.

An AM band transmitter is not a very good match to digital, VLSI, or
smart dust. Time for a rethink.
 
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RST Engineering \(jw\)

Jan 1, 1970
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Joerg ... tell me it isn't SO!!!! I've got a whole stockroom full of 6146s
that will never fulfill their destiny.

{;-)

Jim





The days of the
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Hello Jim,

Joerg ... tell me it isn't SO!!!! ...


T'is so, I am afraid:

http://www.bdcast.com/fgal/white_paper/4MX_White_Paper_4M_Modulation_BCEWHP.pdf

... I've got a whole stockroom full of 6146s
that will never fulfill their destiny.

Those should still hold some value in the ham radio community. Now just
imagine what these tubes could do if operated in pulsed mode. Although
nowadays one would probably use big FETs instead :-(

At least you have the tubes. Out here the steel (!) tube in my old
Rohde&Schwarz SMF has croaked. I like that generator because it has a
real dial with coarse and vernier instead of having to press some
buttons until the fingers cramp up.
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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hananl said:
The reason I don't have any specifications yet, beacuse I am on the
begining of my project. Now all i want is to learn how to approach
this. Maybe to read examples for vlsi projects related to trasmiters.
Maybe to hear about a good book/pdf with examples and good explanations
how to implement a reciever with a vlsi design.


Receiver? That won't help you much building a transmitter.

generally, it's for smart dust, so the power is very low, around
several mili volts, frequecny:
An amplitude modulated signal for typical AM broadcasts consists of a
sinusoid with a frequency in a range from 0.535 MHz to 1.604 MHz having
an amplitude
that is varied (modulated) by an audio signal with frequencies of 20 Hz
to 5KHz.

I assume you meant milliwatts. Anyhow, the classical way to do this
would be a full custom chip design. For new transmitter architectures
that move towards the digital domain check publications such as this one:

http://www.bdcast.com/fgal/white_paper/4MX_White_Paper_4M_Modulation_BCEWHP.pdf

As Ancient Hacker has posted keep the antenna in mind. It needs to have
certain dimensions or it won't radiate.
 
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Rich Grise, Plainclothes Hippie

Jan 1, 1970
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:22:27 -0700, RST Engineering (jw) top-posted:
[top-posting repaired]
The days of the
[quoted text muted]
Joerg ... tell me it isn't SO!!!! I've got a whole stockroom full of 6146s
that will never fulfill their destiny.

Just gold-plate their bases, and sell them to audiophools for $900.00
apiece. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Hello Rich,
Just gold-plate their bases, and sell them to audiophools for $900.00
apiece. ;-)

And don't forget fancy plate connectors to go with them. Maybe like a
small moped cylinder with gold plated fins, with an official endorsement
paper from the RST Institute, Audio Research Department :)
 
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Michael Black

Jan 1, 1970
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hananl" ([email protected]) said:
The reason I don't have any specifications yet, beacuse I am on the
begining of my project. Now all i want is to learn how to approach
this. Maybe to read examples for vlsi projects related to trasmiters.
Maybe to hear about a good book/pdf with examples and good explanations
how to implement a reciever with a vlsi design.
generally, it's for smart dust, so the power is very low, around
several mili volts, frequecny:
An amplitude modulated signal for typical AM broadcasts consists of a
sinusoid with a frequency in a range from 0.535 MHz to 1.604 MHz having
an amplitude
that is varied (modulated) by an audio signal with frequencies of 20 Hz
to 5KHz.
Well no.

The audio signal is mixed with the carrier, and the output of that mixer
is the original carrier, unmodified, and two sidebands on either side
of that carrier. Taken as a whole, the amplitude varies, but the carrier
itself stays constant.

This is likely a useful hint, because it's far more common to see a balanced
mixer in ICs than something called an "AM modulator".

Michael
 
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Tim Wescott

Jan 1, 1970
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Joerg said:
Hello Jim,





T'is so, I am afraid:

http://www.bdcast.com/fgal/white_paper/4MX_White_Paper_4M_Modulation_BCEWHP.pdf




Those should still hold some value in the ham radio community. Now just
imagine what these tubes could do if operated in pulsed mode. Although
nowadays one would probably use big FETs instead :-(

At least you have the tubes. Out here the steel (!) tube in my old
Rohde&Schwarz SMF has croaked. I like that generator because it has a
real dial with coarse and vernier instead of having to press some
buttons until the fingers cramp up.
Is it a good red-blooded American tube with a number that goes
6-letter-number-letter, or is it one of those weirdo euro-things?

You do know that there are tubes available NOS, as from
http://www.tubesandmore.com, don't you?

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Posting from Google? See http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/

"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" came out in April.
See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html
 
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Tim Wescott

Jan 1, 1970
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Michael said:
Well no.

The audio signal is mixed with the carrier, and the output of that mixer
is the original carrier, unmodified, and two sidebands on either side
of that carrier. Taken as a whole, the amplitude varies, but the carrier
itself stays constant.
Technically correct, but misleading as hell. The OP's explanation is
also technically correct, and less misleading to the transmitter
designer, although of less use to the receiver designer.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Posting from Google? See http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/

"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" came out in April.
See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html
 
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Tim Wescott

Jan 1, 1970
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hananl wrote:
(top posting fixed)
beginning of my project. Now all i want is to learn how to approach
this. Maybe to read examples for vlsi projects related to transmitters.
Maybe to hear about a good book/pdf with examples and good
explanations how to implement a receiver with a vlsi design.
generally, it's for smart dust, so the power is very low, around
several mili volts, frequency:
An amplitude modulated signal for typical AM broadcasts consists of a
sinusoid with a frequency in a range from 0.535 MHz to 1.604 MHz
having an amplitude
that is varied (modulated) by an audio signal with frequencies of 20
Hz to 5KHz.
Actually, most of us know what "AM" means, and we also know that "AM"
doesn't mean "North American AM broadcast" unless you say so.

You can make the RF portion of an AM transmitter with a single
transistor if you have sufficient audio power available. But you can't
modulate 100%, and you'll have significant FM riding on your AM.
Consequently your signal will be splattered all over the band and it
won't be as efficient as it could be.

I can't give you an upper limit, because (a) you still haven't stated
all your requirements, (b) you haven't said if you're going to do this
on a process that lends itself to analog and (c) I'm not a chip designer.

I suggest that you do more web searching, or be more specific with your
questions, or both. You may find the ARRL Handbook to be informative
for background study -- you may even luck out and find an AM transmitter
block diagram.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Posting from Google? See http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/

"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" came out in April.
See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Hello Tim,
Is it a good red-blooded American tube with a number that goes
6-letter-number-letter, or is it one of those weirdo euro-things?

It's even weirder. A Euro thing built from steel instead of glass.
EBF11, six of them, vintage 1938 :-(

You do know that there are tubes available NOS, as from
http://www.tubesandmore.com, don't you?

Not that one. The EBF11 is a dual diode plus pentode with an odd form
factor. It is only 1.5" high but also about 1.5" wide. Looks
unbreakable, like it was designed to survive world wars two through five
but unfortunately one of them is now experiencing episodes of
unconsciousness.
 
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Fred Bartoli

Jan 1, 1970
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SioL a écrit :
Interesting, a digital modulation approach takes 72 stages, presumably of equivalent output power?
Doesn't that yield a pretty poor dynamic range?

Or is it a 72-bit D/A, which sounds totally crazy.

And they must be in perfect phase and at perfect power levels across the band.

SioL

Seems to be 72 identical PA, plus one linear one to interpolate between
the discrete power levels. (top of p5, point 2)
 
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Ancient_Hacker

Jan 1, 1970
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Michael said:
Well no.

The audio signal is mixed with the carrier, and the output of that mixer
is the original carrier, unmodified, and two sidebands on either side
of that carrier. Taken as a whole, the amplitude varies, but the carrier
itself stays constant.

This is likely a useful hint, because it's far more common to see a balanced
mixer in ICs than something called an "AM modulator".


Well, your explanation is mighty confusing, and partially incorrdct,
IMHO but it's not your fault.

Originally AM modulation was done in a mighty crude but effective way--
by putting a regular old telephone's carbon microphone in series with
the transmiting antenna!

That setup should give you a clue as to what "AM" really is, in the
time-domain that is-- The carbon mike's resistance varies up and down
as sound waves hit it-- resistance goes DOWN as a high pressure wave
hits, then goes UP as the lower pressure hits, each happens once each
audio cycle.

Later in "grid modulation" was figured out. here things get a bit
fuzzy, but you could look at it as the audio moves the tube's bias
point around and effects it's efficiency. You can also look at it as
a "mixing" action is going on, which leads you to think a
frequency-conversion is going on. Both viewpoints are correct, and of
course both are misleading.


Later on "plate modulation" came in, where you put the audio signal in
series with the plate DC supply. Again it's obvious what's happening
in the time-domain: the plate voltage goes up and down with the audio,
hitting twice the voltage on the positive peaks, and zero voltage on
the negative peaks. Looked at PURELY in the time-domain, it looks like
the carrier is going UP and down in amplitude. In the frequency
domain of course it looks like sidebands are popping up, which they
are.

Much later on, the theory of sidebands, "mixers", and "multipliers"
was cleared up. mathematically, the old "mixers" were revealed to be
kinda like a poor non-linear multiplier, which multipled the two input
voltages (not terribly linealy, but good enough). And the math said
when you multipled two sie waves you end up, in the frequency domain,
with their sums and difference frequencies.

But people kept calling capacitors "condensers", and multipliers
"mixers", so the confusion continues.

You can look at it as "multiplication" or "mixing"-- both are at least
partially correct.

But if you look at the output waveform on a scope, you have this
waveform where the RF amplitude gores UP and DOWN, all the way down to
ZERO, so in some sense the carrier sure LOOKS like it's going down to
zero. And if you think of the B+ voltage going to zero, it's hard to
imagine how the carrier can still be going out when the plate voltage
is zero.

So it's at least partially incorrect to say the carrier "stays the
same" and "sidebands pop up".
 
Joerg said:
Hello Tim,

It's even weirder. A Euro thing built from steel instead of glass.
EBF11, six of them, vintage 1938 :-(

They're glass under steel. The tube itself is a more-or-less
conventional glass tube, apart from the stubby shape. I sawed
one apart as a youngster. Didn't quite make it, the hood *is*
steel.

Anno
 
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Ancient_Hacker

Jan 1, 1970
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To get back to the poor original poster's question, and to point out
some POSITIVE and realistic options, instead of all our poo-poohing:

If you want to make a transmitter, a really small one, one that can
actually broadcast some distance more than a few millimeters, and
still be detectable over the background noise:

(1) Think hard about the physics of the antenna situation-- a tiny
antenna implies a HIGH frequency. For instance, if your "dust" is
going to be on the order of an IC chip size, the frequency, in order to
have a 1/4 wave antenna, is going to have to be in the tens of
gigahertzs region.

(2) I suspect your vlsi process is not up to building gigahertz-region
digital frequency synthesizers. It may be capable of low-gig
rizetimes, but for a true synthesizer you'd need at least 20 times the
output frequency to make effective synthesizer components, like adders
and D/A's.

(3) Also think about the power situation-- even if your vlsi is
low-power (which it won't be at GHz sppeds), a transmitter will need
several milliwatts of ouput power to overcome background noise level,
and that requires several times the input milliwatts.-- figure out how
large a battery or solar cell has to be to generate a few milliwatts
for even a few seconds.
Prolly a whole lot larger than ic-size.


(4) Also think about the rules of your country's FCC. In the USA you
can't just broadcast willy-nilly, there are specific bands and emission
modes required (I think, unless there's some loophole). As far as I
know, you have to stick to 100mw or so max power, and in the AM or FM
bands, or around 13.56MHz, or twice that, or the 47 and 4xx MHz old
wireless phone bands, or the microwave 2.6 GHz band, or a few other
narrow spots. And I suspect you have to do AM in the AM band, FM in
the FM band.

Just a suggestion, but the choices seem to narrow to:

VLSI digital synthesizer for the AM BC band, but with a long antenna
(up to 3 meters in the USA).

VLSI analog synthesizer in the FM band, with a several inch antenna.

IC analog oscillator/modulator in the 4xx or 2.6 GHzMHz band, with an
inch or so of antenna.

... and for power source, the tinyiest of lithium hearing-aid batteries,
so I hope your VLSI process can run on 1.5 or 3 volts :)

Hope this helps.
 
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SioL

Jan 1, 1970
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Fred Bartoli said:
SioL a écrit :
Seems to be 72 identical PA, plus one linear one to interpolate between the discrete power levels. (top of p5, point 2)

Interesting.

SioL
 
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