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Discussion in 'Electronic Design' started by [email protected], Feb 17, 2007.

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  1. Guest

    Hi,

    Im trying to make a PCB with Altium Designer 6.4, I have entered my
    schematice and when I come to start making the PCB in the PCB layout
    bit not all of my components import and I get purple outlined boxes
    telling me the schematice sheet but not showing the component or the
    nets

    Any ideas on what im doing wrong here? I think there defined as rooms,
    but I dont want to use rooms, how can I turn this off?

    Thanks

    Greg
     
  2. Guest

    Rooms? Holy crap! -- How big is pcb going to be? take a look at this
    free one http://www.pcb123.com/
     
  3. Nico Coesel

    Nico Coesel Guest

    My idea exactly. The Altium Design suite (formerly Protel) is the
    worst EDA suite I ever worked with! Totally non intuitive. The only
    positive thing about it is that it accepts the old DOS Protel keyboard
    short-cuts.
     
  4. RHRRC

    RHRRC Guest

    You are showing your inexperience here.
    Cadstar is miles worse than Altium - but in its defense at least it is
    not marketed at electronic people so it doesn't matter how cr*p it is
    to use.
     



  5. Really? Cadstar was sold to Microdyne for schematics & PC layout.
    They had to change to another package, but found a consultant to
    maintain older drawings.


    --
    Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
    prove it.
    Member of DAV #85.

    Michael A. Terrell
    Central Florida
     
  6. RHRRC

    RHRRC Guest

    Yep - its the sort of thing you get when 'technical management' select
    the best tools for the job for the engineers.
     
  7. Isn't any PCB-design package likely to be non-intuitive to someone
    who has grown up on another package? The Protel engineering crowd
    loves the program, and claims it's far better than the competition.

    Altium purchased P-CAD (originally Tango) some years ago, and has
    advanced it over the years with most of the same features being
    added to Designer, SFAICT.

    For example, recently they added differential-pair routing, which
    simultaneously routes two wires together at a specified spacing.
    I imagine this feature is generally used in a manual-routing mode,
    perhaps one of the advanced, assisted manual-routing modes, for
    enhanced PCB performance and appearance.

    But I digress.

    Last year Altium began migrating the entire P-CAD community to
    Designer, so the user-base for Designer should grow substantially.

    I'm a P-CAD user and like it, so I'm not looking forward to the
    change. But I've been told by engineers I respect that I'll not
    regret it. I'll soon know. It was a free upgrade from Altium.
     
  8. nospam

    nospam Guest

    When you updated the PCB from the schematic you were presented a list of
    every change to be made which included the creation of the default one per
    schematic sheet rooms.

    You had the option of validating all of these changes and could have chosen
    not to apply any of them including creation of the default rooms.

    Rooms are just a device for containing a group of components which you may
    want to manipulate as a group or apply design rules to as a group.

    The most likely reason you don't have all components on the PCB is that you
    didn't specify footprints in the schematic which the program could find in
    available libraries. Missing nets can be the result of specifying
    footprints which don't have pins matching the schematic symbol. You would
    have been notified of these errors when you applied the changes to the PCB
    and before if you bothered to validate them first.

    --
     
  9. Nico Coesel

    Nico Coesel Guest

    I suppose they are wrong then :) I've made 2 circuit diagrams / PCBs
    with Altium and it is cumbersome to use in every way. I really needed
    the manual to figure out how to create a new component and footprint
    and there is tons of things you really need to know which aren't
    described in the manual. I never had that problem with other EDA
    packages (and other software). Recent packages like Layo1 PCB and
    Orcad Capture / PCB are much easier to use and are mostly self
    explaining.

    Do I need to go into simple default settings like choosing track
    widths, via sizes? All kludgy. Included libraries.... mostly obsolete
    parts. And how about changing attributes of a whole bunch of vias
    later on? First you'll need to become an expert on database queries
    Altium style so you can build a query and then change the attributes.
    The whole package just doesn't feel like it was written to create
    circuits in an easy way.

    They probably wrote a spec and send it to India without thinking about
    someone actually has to use the software. Sure it does everything you
    want -in the end- but it just isn't efficient and it takes a lot of
    time to learn where every option has been hidden.

    The old Dos Protel PCB just asked to change all similar items like the
    item you just changed. Click 'yes' and you where done.
     
  10. Nico Coesel wrote:

    I can't speak to all your comments, except to say I've never
    seen a PCB package that can be used fully without a manual,
    online or otherwise, and some detailed knowledge.
    It's actually a matter of a just few quick clicks.
     

  11. The character hired to replace the retiring engineering manager
    wanted everything converted to Visio. :( He wasn't there, very long.
    Finally, they moved a real engineer into the job, but let him continue
    to do systems design work.


    --
    Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
    prove it.
    Member of DAV #85.

    Michael A. Terrell
    Central Florida
     
  12. Nico Coesel

    Nico Coesel Guest

    In P-cad it probably is (as in most PCB packages), but beware of
    Altium PCB...
     
  13. nospam

    nospam Guest

    It is a few quick clicks. Global editing in Altium Designer is more capable
    and easier and faster to use than in previous Protel PCB packages.
    --
     
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