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Discussion in 'Electronic Repair' started by Andrey, Feb 17, 2004.

  1. Andrey

    Andrey Guest

    I am looking for schematic or service manual with schematic for airbag
    control module for 2000 and up Honda Accord and Nissan Maxima. Or how
    can I fix the control module after airbags were deployed.
    Thank you.
     
  2. Leave it to someone who know what they're doing, has the right training,
    qualifications, test equipment, etc, etc.
    The car must be a bit smashed up after the airbags got deployed. Again
    leave airbag deployment electronics to someone who knows what they're
    doing.

    As these are a *safety* item, and if they're not setup correctly they may
    not deploy when needed, or could deploy when not needed, with the obvious
    legal implications.
     
  3. Sofie

    Sofie Guest

    Michael Turner:
    You are EXACTLY correct...... a huge liability and safety issue.
    My brother works for a GM dealer in town here and he had to go to factory
    training initially for 2 weeks and then refresher courses every year to stay
    certified..... as a certified airbag systems technician he has an awesome
    responsibility... just imagine the scenarios that you described..... not
    deploying when they are suppose to and someone ends up getting killed or
    critically injured...... and deploying when they are NOT suppose to and
    causing the driver to lose control of the automobile and causing a horrific
    accident where there is loss of life, injuries, properly loss, etc.
     
  4. James Sweet

    James Sweet Guest


    The deploying when not supposed to concerns me far more, I've heard a few
    stories of water getting into airbag controllers and the driver ending up
    with a broken nose when they turn the key. I've never owned a car with an
    airbag but if I did I can be fairly certain I would disconnect it, I know
    I'll get flamed for saying that but the airbags in north america are
    excessively powerful and IMO not nessesary in a well designed car with
    properly buckled occupants.
     
  5. Yup I totally agree with you Daniel.

    For the benefit of anyone who's never seen an airbag being deployed. This
    page contains a video clip of one.
    http://www.mobilityconversions.com/airbag_going_off.htm
    BANG!
     
  6. Tymanthius

    Tymanthius Guest

    <soapbox>

    Not to mention that at least in America, it's 'Not My Fault' and 'Who Can I
    Sue?'

    </soapbox>

     
  7. I am looking for schematic or service manual with schematic for airbag
    ... and is legally licensed to service SRS systems. - Reinhart
     
  8. BANG!

    Pretty much.

    The only way an airbag can deploy out of its container within the short time
    span in order to be effective as a supplemental restraint is by literally
    exploding out of it.

    The notion of someone getting their arm broken by the airbag when it deploys
    while they were executing a manuver with the hand under the wheel is not just
    merely possible, it has happened before! - Reinhart
     
  9. gothika

    gothika Guest

    Please! I get sick to death of hearing this crap about America being a
    libelous society.
    If corporations weren't so bottom line thinking we wouldn't HAVE so
    MANY consumer products that were deathtraps waiting to go off.
    You must be a Republican to so readily blame the victim.
     
  10. gothika

    gothika Guest

    Good point.
    In my opinion more emphasis needs to be put on safe driving pracctices
    and avoiding accidents in the first place.
     
  11. Tymanthius

    Tymanthius Guest

    <snip>

    That's a silly assumption. Actually, I have very radical political views.
    Can't stand the 2 party system in America, and I'm grieved that our form of
    democracy is largely broken (although it's still better than many places
    form of gov't).

    And I don't assume it's the victims fault everytime. But many many of the
    lawsuits are frivolous(sp?) as they are the result some idiot doing more
    than s/he should or could.

    Anyway, this isn't the place for such discussions, and I should have
    refrained from phrasing it the way I did, although it is a valid warning.

    Feel free to take them private if you believe you can keep up.

    tymanthius-at-usa-dot-net

    :)
     
  12. James Sweet

    James Sweet Guest


    I'd have to agree, the real world is dangerous, it can mame or kill, enter
    at your own risk. If a product is blatantly dangerous to use as directed
    then the manufacture should be at fault, if a product is capable of being
    *misused* in a way that's dangerous and someone gets hurt, that's their own
    damn fault.

    Same with those silly cases of people trespassing and getting hurt sueing
    the owner of the property, if you break into *my* house and manage to hurt
    yourself, regardless of the circumstances you were not authorized to be
    there and it should *not* be my fault what happens. I'm not republican
    either, but this country has far too many lawyers.
     
  13. James Sweet

    James Sweet Guest

    And IMO it's a no brainer to buckle up, as you say, accidents happen,
    sometimes someone else does something stupid and there's no way to avoid it,
    I always put my seatbelt on out of habbit when I get into a car, but then I
    don't really care if other people do it, if they'd like to risk dying that's
    their decision, just so long as it's not in my car.
     
  14. And anyway, an airbag won't do you a bit of good in a rollover or
    similar accident with multiple impacts. With a seatbelt, at least your
    body doesn't go bouncing around the inside of the vehicle as it rolls.
     
  15. electricked

    electricked Guest

    Even if you are the best driver ever, you never know what driving
    precautions the driver next to you is taking. So even if you drive safely,
    someone else might hit you. Happens to all of us. I agree though, if you're
    buckled up, the airbag is worthles (might even kill you in a serious
    collision). Sometimes more, is less.

    --Viktor
     
  16. Mark (UK)

    Mark (UK) Guest

    Yes, but don't the latest cars have thousands of airbags all over the
    place? Ones in the roof, in the seats, in the centre console, in the
    glove compartment, even ones for the drinks holder to stop your coke
    getting splat! :)
     
  17. FoxyRick

    FoxyRick Guest


    Not so much an electronics issue, more an energetic materials one. You
    do realise that air bags are deployed by a small charge of
    *explosive*? The control unit is probably fine, since it is just a
    g-force trigger to fire the explosives. Get some semtex, or just take
    it to the repair shop and try not to hit lamp posts too hard next
    time.
     
  18. Actually, if you are NOT buckled up the air bag is less effective and more
    likely to cause injury.

    So are you saying we shouldn't have airbags in cars? Do you believe that we
    shouldn't immunize children? That motorcycle helmets cause more injuries
    than they prevent? That GFCI receptacles cause cancer? There is such a
    thing as research you know.

    Leonard Caillouet
     
  19. sparky

    sparky Guest




    In North America they have advertised ABS brakes and air bags so much
    that most uneducated drivers believe thay are immortal when they get
    behind the wheel of a vehicle with them. This causes their poor
    driving skills to become even worse.
     
  20. Nick Hull

    Nick Hull Guest


    In North America they have advertised ABS brakes and air bags so much
    that most uneducated drivers believe thay are immortal when they get
    behind the wheel of a vehicle with them. This causes their poor
    driving skills to become even worse.[/QUOTE]

    I thought ABS would help so I got it (extra cost option) on the Saturn I
    bought for my wife. It is worse than useless, on gravel it releases the
    brakes unexpectedly when the vehicle was in perfect control. Often in a
    sloped gravel parking lot the car will suddenly lunge at the next car
    when the brakes release.
     
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