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Pat

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm a single woman with no experience in electrical things, and I need help.

My lights started acting weird a few weeks ago. Sometimes they would work,
other times not. Then the other day most of them just quit working. I can't
afford an electrician so I have to figure this out myself, and I have no
clue where to begin.

First I should explain about the wiring in my house, because it is strange.

There's a circuit breaker box outside and a fusebox in a closet with two
rows
of four fuses. The top row has three fuses in it - the last one on the right
is empty - and the bottom row has two fuses, one on each end is empty, and
of
the two that exist, one has "ref." written below it, so I assume that means
refrigerator. None of the fuses are burned out.

At the circuit breaker box there are 8 switches, all I know about them is
that one turns off my water pump at the well, another was for the electric
water heater before I changed to gas.

In Oct. 2001 a light switch went bad in the kitchen, and after that, none of
the outlets in the whole house were live except for one inside a kitchen
cupboard where the refrigerator is plugged in. The ones inside and outside
the well house also worked, and the electric water heater also worked.

For almost a year I lived with that situation because I could not afford an
electrician and had no idea how to fix it myself. I just made do with
extension cords. Then a friend offered to wire some new outlets for me,
without a labor charge, and so of course I agreed. All the new wiring is
visible, tacked to the walls and ceiling, as are the new outlets.

He ran Romex from the fusebox and made an outlet in the closet, and from
there to a light in the bathroom, and next to a switch for the porch light,
then it splits, with one wire to an outlet in the living room and the other
to an outlet in the bedroom.

So, not counting the refrigerator and well house outlets, a total of three
outlets and two light switches worked, until a few days ago.

I don't see a burned fuse. The outlet in the closet *does* work, but the
next thing down the line, the bathroom light, does not. I took the cover off
the light to see what I could see, but I have no idea what to look for.

One further thing I should mention about my friend's wiring job: When I
plug my surge protector into any of the three new outlets he made, the
little red ground fault indicator light comes on. It doesn't do that when
plugged into the refrigerator or well house outlets.

I'm really hoping someone here can help me figure this out.

Thanks in advance.
 
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EEng

Jan 1, 1970
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One further thing I should mention about my friend's wiring job: When I
plug my surge protector into any of the three new outlets he made, the
little red ground fault indicator light comes on. It doesn't do that when
plugged into the refrigerator or well house outlets.

I'm really hoping someone here can help me figure this out.

Thanks in advance.
The little red light means you have a ground fault which is a
potentially dangerous situation but will probably not cause any damage
immediately. It is however not to code. Do you rent or own?. If you
rent, this is a job for your landlord. If you own..... buckle down
and find the means to get an electrician in there immediately.
 
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Rusty

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm a single woman with no experience in electrical things, and I need help.

My lights started acting weird a few weeks ago. Sometimes they would work,
other times not. Then the other day most of them just quit working. I can't
afford an electrician so I have to figure this out myself, and I have no
clue where to begin.
Surely you have a friendly handyman you can trust who could avise
you, free of charge. Even an electrician, given your situation,
might give you a real deal. What is worse; to pay an electrician
for a couple of hours work (say $100) or to have a fire because the
wiring was dangerous.

It sound as though your friend wired the hot to the neutral and vice
versa for those outlets he added. Potentially dangerous.

It also sounds as though the fridge is on the same circuit as the
light that works - and that is a no-no undewr the code. The fridge
is supposed to have a dedicated circuit and breaker.

Please go for the electrician's advice before we read about it in
the newspapers.
 
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Pat

Jan 1, 1970
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I rent, but the landlady is worse off than I am.
 
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Pat

Jan 1, 1970
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Rusty, $100 is a huge amount for me, I live on about $600/month as it is,
and have no savings.

I do have a book on electrical repairs. But I won't even think of using it
until I know how to shut off all the power to the house. Can you at least
tell me that much?

Thanks.
 
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KR Williams

Jan 1, 1970
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I rent, but the landlady is worse off than I am.

She is exposing you to (quite possible) fire or electrocution.
No matter how poor she is, she has no right to subject you to the
dangers as suggest here. It is *your* life here. Do you have
children living with you? If so, it becomes a matter for the
state (actually it already is). Get these problems fixed, NOW!
 
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G. Morgan

Jan 1, 1970
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I do have a book on electrical repairs. But I won't even think of using it
until I know how to shut off all the power to the house. Can you at least
tell me that much?


Pat, even if someone told you how to shut off the electricity you
could not be sure *IT IS REALLY OFF*!!!

You already stated you had a circuit breaker AND a fuse box - no one
in this - or ANY Internet forum would be able to tell you how to shut
it off safely!!!! An electrician has to come look at it..

Pat, you already got the best advice you could possibly get. Have a
licensed electrician come and check this problem out for you. It's a
matter of life safety.

Please just make the call, or have your landlord call.

Best wishes,
Graham
 
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Louis Bybee

Jan 1, 1970
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Pat said:
Rusty, $100 is a huge amount for me, I live on about $600/month as it is,
and have no savings.

I do have a book on electrical repairs. But I won't even think of using it
until I know how to shut off all the power to the house. Can you at least
tell me that much?

Thanks.
The advice to have your situation looked at by an electrician is spot on,
and should be taken for your safety. The cost of not having the situation
evaluated and corrected will greatly exceed any costs to correct the
problem. Not to mention possible serious injury, or death. One thing is
certain. This situation wont get any better, or cure its self!

Everyone has skills and value of some sort. If you locate an agreeable
electrician you might even be able to barter for the needed repairs. One way
or the other get it done. Don't put it off any longer. If you have an
interest in such repairs the electrician might even consent to teaching you
"on the job" during the repairs.

Louis--
*********************************************
Remove the two fish in address to respond
 
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Blue Crown

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm a single woman with no experience in electrical things, and I need help.

My lights started acting weird a few weeks ago. Sometimes they would work,
other times not. Then the other day most of them just quit working. I can't
afford an electrician so I have to figure this out myself, and I have no
clue where to begin.

First I should explain about the wiring in my house, because it is strange.

There's a circuit breaker box outside and a fusebox in a closet with two
rows
of four fuses. The top row has three fuses in it - the last one on the right
is empty - and the bottom row has two fuses, one on each end is empty, and
of
the two that exist, one has "ref." written below it, so I assume that means
refrigerator. None of the fuses are burned out.

At the circuit breaker box there are 8 switches, all I know about them is
that one turns off my water pump at the well, another was for the electric
water heater before I changed to gas.

In Oct. 2001 a light switch went bad in the kitchen, and after that, none of
the outlets in the whole house were live except for one inside a kitchen
cupboard where the refrigerator is plugged in. The ones inside and outside
the well house also worked, and the electric water heater also worked.

For almost a year I lived with that situation because I could not afford an
electrician and had no idea how to fix it myself. I just made do with
extension cords. Then a friend offered to wire some new outlets for me,
without a labor charge, and so of course I agreed. All the new wiring is
visible, tacked to the walls and ceiling, as are the new outlets.

He ran Romex from the fusebox and made an outlet in the closet, and from
there to a light in the bathroom, and next to a switch for the porch light,
then it splits, with one wire to an outlet in the living room and the other
to an outlet in the bedroom.

So, not counting the refrigerator and well house outlets, a total of three
outlets and two light switches worked, until a few days ago.

I don't see a burned fuse. The outlet in the closet *does* work, but the
next thing down the line, the bathroom light, does not. I took the cover off
the light to see what I could see, but I have no idea what to look for.

One further thing I should mention about my friend's wiring job: When I
plug my surge protector into any of the three new outlets he made, the
little red ground fault indicator light comes on. It doesn't do that when
plugged into the refrigerator or well house outlets.

I'm really hoping someone here can help me figure this out.

Thanks in advance.
All the new wiring is
visible, tacked to the walls and ceiling, as are the new outlets.
Damn, did he work for Jack-Leg Electric?
 
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Pat

Jan 1, 1970
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G. Morgan said:
Pat, even if someone told you how to shut off the electricity you
could not be sure *IT IS REALLY OFF*!!!

You already stated you had a circuit breaker AND a fuse box - no one
in this - or ANY Internet forum would be able to tell you how to shut
it off safely!!!! An electrician has to come look at it..

Graham,

I appreciate this and will have a pro come when I can afford it. In the
meantime, if it is so dangerous a situation, I want to shut off the power to
the house. It should not be that difficult, and since it could be months
before I can afford a pro to fix it, I obviously need to shut off whatever
might be dangerous.

What I have done for now I turn off all the switches in the breaker box
except the one for the well house and water pump, and removed all the fuses
from the fusebox except for the one marked "ref." The computer is running
off the outlet at the well house, as it did for almost a year before my
friend installed the new wiring.

As to whether things are "really off" or not, isn't there a way to test with
some simple device?
 
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Pat

Jan 1, 1970
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Blue Crown said:
All the new wiring is
visible, tacked to the walls and ceiling, as are the new outlets.
Damn, did he work for Jack-Leg Electric?

That's how I told him to do it, since he was working free of charge I wanted
it to be as easy and quick as possible. He didn't work for any electric
company, but at least I had lights for over a year and a half before this
failure.
 
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G. Morgan

Jan 1, 1970
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I appreciate this and will have a pro come when I can afford it. In the
meantime, if it is so dangerous a situation, I want to shut off the power to
the house. It should not be that difficult, and since it could be months
before I can afford a pro to fix it, I obviously need to shut off whatever
might be dangerous.

What I have done for now I turn off all the switches in the breaker box
except the one for the well house and water pump, and removed all the fuses
from the fusebox except for the one marked "ref." The computer is running
off the outlet at the well house, as it did for almost a year before my
friend installed the new wiring.

As to whether things are "really off" or not, isn't there a way to test with
some simple device?


You can get a voltage tester like this one:
http://doityourself.com/store/6116024.htm

But if you don't use it properly you'll get a "false negative"
reading.

You might want to call these contractors and explain the situation,
they may be able to work out a payment plan.

CEC ELECTRIC CONTRACTING
7125 LITTLE BOONE CREEK RD, SULLIVAN, MO, 63080 Phone: 573-457-6863

CENTRAL ELECTRIC & SUPPLY INC
SULLIVAN, MO, 63080 Phone: 573-468-3143

HULSEY ELECTRIC
1046 LOUISIANA ST, SULLIVAN, MO, 63080 Phone: 573-468-3316

KASE ELECTRIC
248 E SPRINGFIELD RD, SULLIVAN, MO, 63080 Phone: 573-468-6928
 
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EEng

Jan 1, 1970
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I rent, but the landlady is worse off than I am.

Then you get the electrician and deduct it from the rent. I
understand your situation but she is required by law to keep a safe
environment. You might even be close friends, I don't know, so if you
are, deduct it over the next 3-6 months or whatevers equitable. Just
remember, the fire department, hospitals, insurance companies don't
give a damn what your relationship with her is or what her situation
is. No matter what happens, it will be her liability but your injury.
Do not hesitate...get it fixed by a professional now or it will cost
both of you much much more later.
 
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Beachcomber

Jan 1, 1970
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That's how I told him to do it, since he was working free of charge I wanted
it to be as easy and quick as possible. He didn't work for any electric
company, but at least I had lights for over a year and a half before this
failure.
Your situation is difficult and my best advice is that you ask for
outside help. I would suggest contacting a reporter at your local TV
station or newspaper (give them a written account of your
difficulties) and they may be able to do a story and bring your
problem to the attention of your community.

By asking for help, I'm sure that you will find a competent
electrician that is willing to donate their services for free or
perhaps a reduced rate or extended payment plan. I'm sure that there
are many electricians that would be personally outraged if they saw
improper wiring tacked up on the surface as you described.

Also, many local governments offer reduced rate loans for seniors and
disabled people (Not sure if you are in this category - I just made an
assumption that you might be). to make necessary home improvements,
especially if a life-safety issue is involved. In my community, they
can put a lein on the property so the owner has no out-of-pocket
expenses - the loan gets paid when the owner of the property sells or
passes away.

Beachcomber
 
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Pat

Jan 1, 1970
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paul said:
TROLL ALERT!!!

Hi Paul,

Since I had never heard or read any sort of definition of the term "troll"
as applied to newsgroup posters, but had seen the term used in a very
negative context at a few places online, your post inspired me to find the
following page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

Now that I know a lot more about the meaning of the word troll, I'm a little
confused a to why you said what you did.

In any event, no reply is necessary, and I shall refrain from further
posting in this group.

Thanks,

Pat
 
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Anthony Guzzi

Jan 1, 1970
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Pat said:
Hi Paul,

Since I had never heard or read any sort of definition of the term "troll"
as applied to newsgroup posters, but had seen the term used in a very
negative context at a few places online, your post inspired me to find the
following page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

Now that I know a lot more about the meaning of the word troll, I'm a little
confused a to why you said what you did.

In any event, no reply is necessary, and I shall refrain from further
posting in this group.

Thanks,

Pat


Pat, I'm not sure Paul was talking about you there, but actually to G.
Morgan. Either way, don't take offense to him, you can post wherever
you want. It's not his newsgroup.
 
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