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Discussion in 'Home Power and Microgeneration' started by jim, Jan 27, 2008.

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  1. jim

    jim Guest

    Here's a great idea for building more energy-efficient homes. And, as a
    fellow inventor, I understand the use of patents quite well. But, when it
    comes down to a patented concept that could do so much good to reduce the
    increasing need for energy in heating and cooling homes, I sometimes wonder
    if the greater good would not be served by some public or private program to
    compensate the inventors and release it to the general public.

    http://www.enertia.com/Science/HowItWorks/tabid/68/Default.aspx

    jim
     
  2. jim

    jim Guest

    Eamils to them lead me to believe it was still patented, but a quick search
    of the uspto reveals that you are right. Nothing shows up under Enertia at
    all.

    Thanks.

    jim

     
  3. Guest

    And IIRC, they tested their houses in months with outdoor temps above and
    below 68 F to get amazing "dynamic R-values" :) The Monolithic Dome people
    and Polysteel seemed to do this too.

    On a day with average exterior temp T, a 68 F concrete house with 2" R10
    Styrofoam walls will lose or gain about |68-T|/R10 Btu/h. With min and max
    temps Tmin and Tmax, a frame house in the same location with walls with
    an equivalent R-value might lose (68-Tmin)/R all night and gain (Tmax-68)/R
    all day, with an equivalent R-value of 5(Tmax-Tmin)/|68-T|.

    Here is a list of US locations and equivalent R-values, based on NREL data:

    location month Tmin T Tmax equivalent R-value

    Philadelphia June 61.8 71.8 81.7 26.2
    Phoenix, AZ April 55.3 69.9 84.5 76.8
    Flagstaff July 50.5 66.3 81.9 92.3
    Prescott June 49.9 67.2 84.5 216.3
    Albuquerque September 55.2 68.6 81.9 222.5
    San Diego October 60.9 67.7 74.6 228.3
    Houston April 58.1 68.3 78.4 338.3
    Ely, NV July 48.0 67.5 87.0 390.0
    Colorado Springs August 55.2 68.3 81.3 435.0
    Las Vegas October 54.3 68.3 82.1 463.3
    Elkins, WV August 56.2 67.8 79.3 577.5
    Bakersfield October 54.8 67.8 80.7 647.5
    Rock Springs, WY July 52.8 68.0 83.1 infinite!

    Nick

    PS: It looks like Carmine Vasile's 1986 GFX patent has also expired.
     
  4. Guest

    Nope. It's illegal to "make, use, or sell" even one copy
    without the patentholder's permission.

    Nick
     
  5. Guest

    With likely minimal damages, in the event of a suit.

    Nick
     
  6. Guest

    Is there really such a law? Sounds hard to prove. Suppose a patent owner
    simply demands a very high price for licenses, or decides to manufacture
    the product exclusively? IIRC, RCA shelved some microwave semiconductor
    patents for years in order to further sales of their klystrons. I would
    guess that antitrust and restraint-of-trade laws do not apply to patented
    inventions, which have a legal monopoly.
    Our digital cellphone standards committees required voluntary agreements
    on reasonable royalties from member companies as a condition of
    participation, but that wasn't a legal requirement, and
    the word "reasonable" was left vague.

    Nick, Registered US Patent Agent
     
  7. Guest

    Wrong. US code says it's strictly illegal to make even one, for your own use,
    in your basement.

    Nick
     
  8. Guest

    It starts with Article 1, section 8 of the US constitution, and continues
    through Title 35, Part III, Chapter 28, Section 271, Paragraph (a) of
    the US Code. Subsection (4) of Paragraph (d) says refusing to license
    others, ie "shelving" is OK...

    A patent grants a property right to the patent owner. "Trespassing"
    without the owner's permission is illegal.

    Nick
     
  9. In Europe you can freely use patented material for non profit individual
    use. In the U.S. the patent holder could litigate.
    Probably won't find one as the cost of litigation is not worth the minor
    infringement.
     
  10. Guest

    No thanks. I'd rather argue with people who can spell :)

    Nick
     
  11. Guest

    But it does, without the patent owner's permission.

    Nick
     
  12. NotMe

    NotMe Guest

    |
    | >... I said that a patent did not prevent it from being made.
    |
    | But it does, without the patent owner's permission.
    |

    That's the price of development and innovation.

    In return for disclosure the world gains access to ideas that are archived
    and can be expanded.

    Without the patent system we would not have access to generic drugs or the
    transistor among other technology.
     
  13. NotMe

    NotMe Guest

    |
    | >Just because something is patented does not mean that someone cannot make
    it.
    |
    | Wrong. US code says it's strictly illegal to make even one, for your own
    use,
    | in your basement.
    |
    | Nick


    Cite?

    BTW corporations all over the work do just that as part of a practice of
    re-engineering.
     
  14. They say it's a perpetuum mobile, an over-unity machine. If it is, why
    don't they use it to produce and sell energy? If it isn't, it is a
    totally stupid idea to run a machine just to make heat.

    S.
     
  15. I understand the use of patents quite well. But, when it
    That is a right communist thing to say Jim. Private property rights gave us
    the world advantage we used to enjoy (pre-socialist agendas) :) No
    incentive, no inventions. "Thou shall not steal" still holds true.

    Mitch
     
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