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9V 1A schematic needed

J

J-vibe

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi,

Does anyone have a 9V 1A transformer schematic? I want to
integrate it into a project to run a disk drive. The smaller the better.

Thanks.
 
L

Larry Brasfield

Jan 1, 1970
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J-vibe said:
Hi, Hi.
Does anyone have a 9V 1A transformer schematic? I want to
integrate it into a project to run a disk drive. The smaller the better.


The usual procedure, assuming you are using a CAD
tool, is to pull a generic transformer symbol from the
library already available with every such tool I've seen,
then edit some fields on it to state its output value and
current rating.

If you are drawing a schematic by hand, Google for
the phrase "transformer symbol" to see what it should
look like. Or buy an electronics drawing template.
 
J

J-vibe

Jan 1, 1970
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Sorry, I guess I wasn;t clear. I need a schematic of a 9V 1A PSU.
Such as the transformer, capaciters, diode....
It's an AC to DC. Would like a 120V and 250V version. I'm building a
project and need to embed a PSU into the project. Hope this clarifies it.

Thanks.
 
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mike

Jan 1, 1970
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J-vibe said:
Sorry, I guess I wasn;t clear. I need a schematic of a 9V 1A PSU.
Such as the transformer, capaciters, diode....
It's an AC to DC. Would like a 120V and 250V version. I'm building a
project and need to embed a PSU into the project. Hope this clarifies it.

Thanks.

Still not clear.
You want 9.0000VDC up to 1A from 90-264VAC?
It's very difficult to buy ONE EACH transformer of the types you want.
I expect you haven't considered the subtleties of the design...high
line, low line, efficiency, heat sinking, trough voltage...the list is
endless...schematic is trivial, but the details won't show there.
You're more likely to have to design around an available, non-optimal
transformer.

You're MUCh better off to buy a switcher wall wart to do the job. If
you only want one and you're cheap like me, I'd start looking for
cellphone chargers. Or laptop charger and change the voltage setting
resistor. If it has to be inside, it's still easier to break
it open and mount the board inside.
mike

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J

J-vibe

Jan 1, 1970
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I'll try again.....

I need to build a power supply unit where I can take 120V AC from a U.S.
home outlet and convert it to a 9 Volt DC 1Amp output.

120V AC 9V DC 1 AMP
---------> Converts to +-------->
---------> (-) ------->

Here is an example, but I need to build my own because I need to design it
to fit exactly the way I need it
inside my project:
http://shop.vetcosurplus.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=872

Thanks
 
T

Tim Wescott

Jan 1, 1970
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J-vibe said:
Hi,

Does anyone have a 9V 1A transformer schematic? I want to
integrate it into a project to run a disk drive. The smaller the better.

Thanks.
Now that you've clarified the fact that you need a power supply --

How much better is smaller? If size really is paramount then you need
to make an off-line switcher, which isn't a trivial task. If you can
get away with 6-10 cubic inches (about 2/3 of a cup) then you should be
able to do the transformer -> rectifier thing.

Does it need to be regulated? If so then you need a transformer ->
rectifier -> regulator.

Look around on the web for "power supplies" -- that's really what you
want. Or go get the latest ARRL handbook, which will have lots of
examples and "how to" information.
 
F

Fred Bloggs

Jan 1, 1970
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Larry said:
The usual procedure, assuming you are using a CAD
tool, is to pull a generic transformer symbol from the
library already available with every such tool I've seen,
then edit some fields on it to state its output value and
current rating.

Damn you're dumber than a rock- no clue in hell what the OP was talking
about...
 
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DaveM

Jan 1, 1970
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Fred Bloggs said:
Damn you're dumber than a rock- no clue in hell what the OP was talking
about...

LMAO!!!! Larry gave a very direct answer to the OP's question. He
specifically asked for a schematic for a transformer.
It was all very tongue-in-cheek. I thought about giving a very similar
answer but Larry beat me to it.

All that said, the OP still hasn't given enough info to give him a
definitive answer to his needs.
Lacking are such details as...
Is regulation required?
What are the allowable ripple/noise?
Does he need a PSU that can be easily switched between 120/240 mains
voltages, or is a single mains rated input sufficient?
What are his size limits for the unit?
etc., etc.

LMAO!!!!

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the address)

Never take a laxative and a sleeping pill at the same time!!
 
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mike

Jan 1, 1970
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J-vibe said:
I'll try again.....

I need to build a power supply unit where I can take 120V AC from a U.S.
home outlet and convert it to a 9 Volt DC 1Amp output.

120V AC 9V DC 1 AMP
---------> Converts to +-------->
---------> (-) ------->

Here is an example, but I need to build my own because I need to design it
to fit exactly the way I need it
inside my project:
http://shop.vetcosurplus.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=872

Thanks

Still not a clue.
This power supply doesn't say if it's regulated. Look at their list of
power supplies. Some say they're regulated, this one doesn't. Does
that mean it isn't? Or just forgot to put it? NO SPECIFICATIONS LISTED.

If this unspecified power supply meets your needs, you're probably not
gonna find a transformer smaller than the one in there. Bust it open
and use the parts.

The schematic for what you want is trivial. Transformer feeds diode
bridge or two diodes, depending whether you have a center-tapped
transformer, into a capacitor. Now all you need to do if figure out how
much ripple and min/max voltages you can stand. Then you need to buy
a transformer that does that...and you probably won't find one.

So, we're full circle. Go buy the wart and take it apart. Then instead
of having a well protected wall wart supply, you'll have AC running
around in your project, shock hazard, fire hazard....there's a reason
most products today use wall warts.

mike
The simplicity of the answer is inversely proportional to the simplicity
of the question.

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J

J-vibe

Jan 1, 1970
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Thanks,

I have found this schematic online (not schematic symbol)
and I think I could adapt it to supply a generic/home electronics 9 volts I
need to
run a generic floppy drive. I'll also be checking out that book you
mentioned for
future references. http://www.bonavolta.ch/hobby/en/audio/reg_sup.htm

Thanks for your help.

BTW, I did ask for a transformer schematic:
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&q=schematic+transformer
NOT a transformer schematic symbol:
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&q=schematic+symbol+transformer
as some were confused. Sorry about that.
 
L

Larry Brasfield

Jan 1, 1970
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Fred Bloggs said:
Larry Brasfield wrote:
[Responding to a query from the OP, aka "J-vibe" quoted with leading '>>>' now:]
Damn you're dumber than a rock- no clue in hell what the OP was talking about...

Oh master, once again, as usual, your presciendent
wisdom and beneficence is a wonder to behold.

I struggled and struggled to get my thoughts going,
dimly recognizing that, in this NG, the OP did not
mean the toy that my son briefly treasured, and,
after what seemed like eons, I managed to grasp
that the OP meant something electronical. After
more struggle, and with the help of a friend who
seems to know some electronical factoids, I
learned of the transformer and its appearance
in some strange pictoral language most foreign
to we lower members of the mineral kingdom.

Now it seems, thanks to your gracious willingness
to share tidbits from your vast store of knowledge,
that the OP was talking about something else entirely.
Oh, woeful am I to have failed in your eyes, master.
Ever hoping to gain your approval, but still ignorant
of the OP's true meaning, which must be opaque
even to your perspicious, thoroughly exaltable self,
(because, surely, you would share that clue were it
otherwise), I will attempt to gather my meager wits
and formulate a response more suitable to you.

To the OP: Please be patient with my efforts to
please the infinitely exaltable Fred Bloggs. He sets
such an inimitably high standard by example with
his wise and kind posts that others can hope for
only the most excrescential results in comparison.

So, without further ado, here is my humble retry:

<<<<<<<<<<<<<< begin retry >>>>>>>>>>>>

Has V_n_r_a_ D_s_a_e finally reached your pathetic
excuse for a brain? If you wish to discover something
about a non-transformer object, you've got to specify
what in H_l_ you are asking about. Why, if not for an
excess of fecal matter in your cranium, do you waste
our time with such a vague query, when the only reply
possible from the expert(s) here would be to demand
some details? Come back in your next life, but try to
avoid playing in the unflushed toilet when the brains are
passed out instead of imagining you already found one.
And don't ever think that any reply you may get about
transformers should be taken as an indicator that you
need to reformulate your question. Any thought that
subtle would likely burst your skull, a hazard to avoid.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<< end retry >>>>>>>>>>>>

So, ever to be exalted master, I once again await,
with hope and fear, more of your instruction and,
in my wildest dreams, your respect and approval.
 
D

DaveM

Jan 1, 1970
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Larry Brasfield said:
Fred Bloggs said:
Larry Brasfield wrote:
[Responding to a query from the OP, aka "J-vibe" quoted with leading '>>>'
now:]
Damn you're dumber than a rock- no clue in hell what the OP was talking
about...

Oh master, once again, as usual, your presciendent
wisdom and beneficence is a wonder to behold.

I struggled and struggled to get my thoughts going,
dimly recognizing that, in this NG, the OP did not
mean the toy that my son briefly treasured, and,
after what seemed like eons, I managed to grasp
that the OP meant something electronical. After
more struggle, and with the help of a friend who
seems to know some electronical factoids, I
learned of the transformer and its appearance
in some strange pictoral language most foreign
to we lower members of the mineral kingdom.

Now it seems, thanks to your gracious willingness
to share tidbits from your vast store of knowledge,
that the OP was talking about something else entirely.
Oh, woeful am I to have failed in your eyes, master.
Ever hoping to gain your approval, but still ignorant
of the OP's true meaning, which must be opaque
even to your perspicious, thoroughly exaltable self,
(because, surely, you would share that clue were it
otherwise), I will attempt to gather my meager wits
and formulate a response more suitable to you.

To the OP: Please be patient with my efforts to
please the infinitely exaltable Fred Bloggs. He sets
such an inimitably high standard by example with
his wise and kind posts that others can hope for
only the most excrescential results in comparison.

So, without further ado, here is my humble retry:

<<<<<<<<<<<<<< begin retry >>>>>>>>>>>>

Has V_n_r_a_ D_s_a_e finally reached your pathetic
excuse for a brain? If you wish to discover something
about a non-transformer object, you've got to specify
what in H_l_ you are asking about. Why, if not for an
excess of fecal matter in your cranium, do you waste
our time with such a vague query, when the only reply
possible from the expert(s) here would be to demand
some details? Come back in your next life, but try to
avoid playing in the unflushed toilet when the brains are
passed out instead of imagining you already found one.
And don't ever think that any reply you may get about
transformers should be taken as an indicator that you
need to reformulate your question. Any thought that
subtle would likely burst your skull, a hazard to avoid.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<< end retry >>>>>>>>>>>>

So, ever to be exalted master, I once again await,
with hope and fear, more of your instruction and,
in my wildest dreams, your respect and approval.

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email: [email protected]
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LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

--
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the address)

Never take a laxative and a sleeping pill at the same time!!
 
J

J-vibe

Jan 1, 1970
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It's amazing how moronic & pathetic some people can be. Don't be upset at me
for your failure to understand my question.
I never even said a single thing to offend you. Obviously your lack of
confidence and ability to
deal with Fred's insult led you to concur that my question was the reason
why you got attacked.
Why did you give in to such sucker-bait? Reading your response exposed your
weaknesses
and lack of maturity. You are a socially unstable individual.

To the rest of the people in this forum reading this, I apologize for Larry
and this
uncalled for posting. I appreciate all your help and understanding that
many of you
at one point in your life, crawled before you walked. Thanks for your help!

In response to:
 
L

Larry Brasfield

Jan 1, 1970
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J-vibe said:
It's amazing how moronic & pathetic some people can be.

Yes, it surely is.
Don't be upset at me for your failure to understand my question.

You misunderstand. I am not in the least bit upset.
I am disappointed that you take Fred's assertion
that I had no clue at face value. Perhaps, if you
read the 2nd-to-last sentence in my retry with
care, you will understand that there was a clue.
However, I will admit that my notion of what
you were after was extremely vague, as would
be natural given your question.

I urge you to read this next paragraph, quoted from
my post (but cut from yours as seemingly insignificant)
with more care. Be aware also that I attempted to
find your email address in your posts, to provide a
clearer indication of my intent, but could not find it
in either plain or munged form. Quoting:
To the OP: Please be patient with my efforts to
please the infinitely exaltable Fred Bloggs. He sets
such an inimitably high standard by example with
his wise and kind posts that others can hope for
only the most excrescential results in comparison.
I am not going to decode that for you, but I assure
you that there is a more benign message there for you.
I never even said a single thing to offend you.

Agreed, at least up until a few lines above.
Obviously your lack of confidence and ability to
deal with Fred's insult led you to concur that my question was the reason
why you got attacked.

If you were to read the bulk of Fred's posts over
the last few weeks, I think you would agree that
being attacked by Fred is an honor, not anything
to feel bad about or wonder how recover from.

I am convinced that the reason for Fred attacks
lies in the twisted mind of Fred himself and so I
never could imagine that you are to blame for it.
Why did you give in to such sucker-bait? Reading your response exposed your
weaknesses and lack of maturity.

I think you need to read more posts here to
understand. If you are as intelligent as I hope,
that should do the trick.
You are a socially unstable individual.

I have not killed anybody yet and have many
friends I have known for most of my life. My
family is intact and they all seem glad to see me.
To the rest of the people in this forum reading this, I apologize for Larry
and this uncalled for posting.

No need for your apology, since it appears
you are the only innocent person offended.

I hope you will accept my apology for not
anticipating your superficial interpretation.
I appreciate all your help and understanding that
many of you at one point in your life, crawled before you walked.
Thanks for your help!

I'm glad you got what you wanted. Now, ask
yourself "Why did Larry answer my first post
in the manner he did?" and "How, as a socially
unstable individual, could he have elicited my
thanks and a reformulated question without
offending me in any way whatsoever?"
 
M

Mac

Jan 1, 1970
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It's amazing how moronic & pathetic some people can be. Don't be upset at me
for your failure to understand my question.
I never even said a single thing to offend you. Obviously your lack of
confidence and ability to
deal with Fred's insult led you to concur that my question was the reason
why you got attacked.
Why did you give in to such sucker-bait? Reading your response exposed your
weaknesses
and lack of maturity. You are a socially unstable individual.

To the rest of the people in this forum reading this, I apologize for Larry
and this
uncalled for posting. I appreciate all your help and understanding that
many of you
at one point in your life, crawled before you walked. Thanks for your help!
In response to:

I believe that Larry was attempting to parody Fred's style. Don't take it
personally. I don't think Larry meant any of that stuff.

If you use google to search on Fred's responses to posts, you will see
that sometime he does insult people without providing any constructive
advice.

It seems that some people really annoy Fred, and Fred let's his
annoyance show. But he does seem to know what he is talking about when he
talks electronics.

regards,
Mac
 
L

Larry Brasfield

Jan 1, 1970
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Mac said:
I believe that Larry was attempting to parody Fred's style. Don't take it
personally. I don't think Larry meant any of that stuff.

Thanks for that.
If you use google to search on Fred's responses to posts, you will see
that sometime he does insult people without providing any constructive
advice.

You are a master of understatement.
It seems that some people really annoy Fred, and Fred let's his
annoyance show. But he does seem to know what he is talking about when he
talks electronics.

As far as I can see, that is clearly an
overstatement. Fred can make inane
mistakes, like anybody else, but does
so by plunging into certain subjects
about which he knows very little with
an air of authority. And when he is
shown to be wrong, he is rarely willing
to help resolve the ensuing confusion
for the sake of both his credibility and
the OP or other participants.

If you doubt this, I can provide several
recent examples that should suffice to
convince any independent expert.

If you are merely being kind, trying to say
"he often knows ...", I am inclined to agree.
But you do non-experts a disservice by
promoting Fred to the status of "authority".

I've known a small number of people who
would merit such exaltation, but Fred is
most certainly nowhere close to that. To
be an authority worthy of relying upon, a
person must not only know a lot; they
must know what they know and what
they do not know and be honest about it.
Fred completely fails to understand that,
being more interested in ego maintenance
than helping participants discover what
they need to know to resolve their issues.
 
M

Mac

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi,

Does anyone have a 9V 1A transformer schematic? I want to
integrate it into a project to run a disk drive. The smaller the better.

Thanks.

I'm not an expert on power supplies, but this one shouldn't be too hard if
it is just for some kind of home project or whatever.

Note that if you are designing a real power supply for a real product that
has to get regulatory approval, then you may need expert advice.

The simplest way to build a power supply is to just use a transformer
(put a fuse or two on the AC side of it), a bridge rectifier, some
capacitors, and an LM317 (or something similar) with a big heatsink, and
maybe another capacitor at the output.

Choosing the transformer voltage is a bit tricky. If it is too low, then
the regulator will drop out of regulation and the output will ripple. If
it is too high, then the regulator will dissipate too much power, and
overheat. You might try a nominal 12 Volt transformer for a 9 Volt
regulator.

Choosing capacitor values is a bit tricky, too. The bigger they are, the
more they force the transformer into a low duty-cycle, high-current mode
of operation. But if you don't have enough capacitor, then the Voltage
will dip too low during the low part of the cycle, and the regulator will
drop out.

Have fun.

--Mac
 
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John Woodgate

Jan 1, 1970
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Choosing capacitor values is a bit tricky, too. The bigger they are, the
more they force the transformer into a low duty-cycle, high-current mode
of operation.

In fact, the overall efficiency, measured as Idc/Irms, is higher at low
rectifier conduction angles, even though the peak diode current is
higher. A large filter capacitor doesn't increase transformer heating.
 
R

Ron Hubbard

Jan 1, 1970
0
J-vibe said:
I'll try again.....

I need to build a power supply unit where I can take 120V AC from a U.S.
home outlet and convert it to a 9 Volt DC 1Amp output.

120V AC 9V DC 1 AMP
---------> Converts to +-------->
---------> (-) ------->

Here is an example, but I need to build my own because I need to design it
to fit exactly the way I need it
inside my project:
http://shop.vetcosurplus.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=872

Here's an idea: buy 12 volt xformer with no center tap. Connect to it a
small bridge diode rectifier rated for 2 amps or higher, and to that a
large value capacitor such as 470 uF or greater rated up to 35 volts or
higher. Follow that by a 9 volt regulator such as the LM7905 voltage
regulator chip (may need a heat sink for that). The whole thing will
take up very little space but will give you about 9.1 volts DC with
pretty fair regulation and low ripple. This is pretty much basic,
Electronics 101, kind of stuff.

Ron
 
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Active8

Jan 1, 1970
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It's amazing how moronic & pathetic some people can be. Don't be upset at me
for your failure to understand my question.

I thought Larry was just f'ing with you in his first response, but
he admitted otherwise. I figured that by asking for a trans shem,
you meant PSU, but couldn't help but marvel that someone *might*
actually want a trans schem (not symbol) as if they needed a schem
to build one. It's like asking for a shematic of a wire to
understand its operation or to make one.

I recently saw those two butt heads - oops! Let me rephrase that ( I
gotta leave it in cause it was a funny mistake ) - "those two argue"
and *both* were right - that statement made without me going back to
nitpick little points that may have been incorrect, misworded,
whatever. It's more like they discussed 2 different approaches and
it was more a matter of their respective EE philosophies.

I've read more of Fred's EE info than Larry's and I haven't found
any flaws.

You changed the subject line twice and I had to check google to
verify continuity (no lost posts) Bad!!!

You should have posted to s.e.basics (seb) or
alt.binaries.schematics.electronic (abse) and didn't. Bad!!!

I asked someone earlier today... "Is the google server down?"
There's more friggin' PSU info and schems out there than I can shake
a tree at.

Now go build your battery eliminator without frying yourself.
 
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