Connect with us

90 degree bends in microstrip

Discussion in 'Electronic Design' started by Bill Sloman, Mar 5, 2009.

Scroll to continue with content
  1. Bill Sloman

    Bill Sloman Guest

    I was digging through some old reports from 1989 and found this text

    Microstrip Discontinuity Capacitances and Inductances



    A paper of this title was written by Peter Anders and Fritz Arndt

    and published in the IEEE Transactions on Microwave Theory and Techniques

    MTT-28 (11) pages 1213-17 (November 1980).



    Amongst other things it discusses 45 and 90 degree junctions in microstrips.

    My reading of the conclusions is that



    1. The problem is worst for 50R microstrip; the reflection

    from a junction will be roughly at factor of three less from
    the same junction in 75R track and another factor of three

    down again for l00R track.



    2. The reflection from a 45 degree junction is about a third of that
    from

    a 90 degree junction, so there is a small advantage in making a

    90 degree change in direction as two 45 degree junctions.



    3. The discontinuity can be reduced by about an order of
    magnitude by bevelling (they use the term mitering) the
    outside edge of the junction. For 90 degree junctions, the
    scale of the trim decreases with decreasing impedance, while
    for 45 degree junctions there in a smooth maximum in the trim
    around 75R.



    Gigabit Logic's Application note 2 at Fig. 5, gives a figure of 1.8 times
    the track

    width as the optimum length for the trimming cut for 90 degree junctions.



    Applying the Anders and Arndt results, I get closer to 1.55 for a 50R track
    on PTFE,

    1.77 for a 75R track, and about 2.2 for a l00R track, all for 90 degree
    junctions.



    For 45 degree junctions in 50R track the equivalent figure is 0.91 of the
    width of the

    track. For 75R track this increases to 1.5 of the track width, and for l00R
    track it goes

    down a bit to 1.46 track widths.



    Note that while our CAD system puts a radius on the outside corner of all
    track corners,

    the area trimmed off by this feature is at least an order of magnitude less
    than that

    removed by any of the trimming cuts specified above.



    It is also worth noting that a via or a test pad inserted into a "constant
    impedance"

    microstrip will introduce much larger reflections than an untrimmed 90
    degree junction.





    l l

    l l

    l l

    \ --------------

    \

    \----------------



    The "trimming cut" is just ths 45 degree cut off the outside of the cormer -
    for 90 degree

    bends, and 22.5 degrees for 45 degree bends.
     
  2. Guest

    correct.
    everything in Bill's post may be true at 10 GHz but irrelevant below a
    few GHz.

    Mark
     
  3. Guest

    And John did express his gratitude with just the sort of graceful
    courtesy I've come to expect from him -

    "Below several GHz, risetimes above maybe 100 ps, square corners
    don't
    matter."

    In fact the whole point of the post was the reference to published
    paper on the subject

    Microstrip Discontinuity Capacitances and Inductances
    by Peter Anders and Fritz Arndt
    IEEE Transactions on Microwave Theory and Techniques
    MTT-28 (11) pages 1213-17 (November 1980).

    and the salvaged text was thrown in to give an indication of the
    content. But John Larkin doesn't seem to read the electronics
    literature, and that aspect of the post would not have got his
    attention.
     
  4. Bill Sloman

    Bill Sloman Guest

    You did claim to be grateful.
    All I was saying that your initial reaction doesn't read like a grateful
    response.
    I did find the contrast funny.
    The reference to Gigabit Logic's application notes would make it
    clear enough to anybody who could remember Gigabit Logic.
    And they aren't going to do it if the application notes for the logic
    that they are using don't make a fuss about track impedance.
    It is, if you've got a time domain reflectometer. Of the places where I've
    worked, only EMI Central Research and the Nijmegen University electronics
    workshop had their own, and even there they weren't easy to get at.
    Even a smooth curve adds extra capacitance to the track.
    A 90 degree corner with a right-angle on the inside and a quadrant
    of a circle on the outside has 0.79 track widths squared in the
    quadrant. A 1.4142 long mitre has only 0.5 trackwidths squared,
    and the rule of thumb 1.8 track widths long 45 degree mitre gets rid
    of half of that.

    In an ideal world, you'd want to narrow the track in
    according to the tightness of the bend.
     
Ask a Question
Want to reply to this thread or ask your own question?
You'll need to choose a username for the site, which only take a couple of moments (here). After that, you can post your question and our members will help you out.
Electronics Point Logo
Continue to site
Quote of the day

-