802.11 Data Transmission

[HardySpicer]

I want to send some remote data from a special 802.11 module to an
apple Iphone.
The distance is line of sight (from a model aircraft). How difficult
do you think this would be? I am assuming it involves streaming of
data. the data is only every 10 secs or so. I also want to do
something for another application similar but with audio (full duplex
sampled at around 20kHz).


I found these modules

http://www.embeddedworks.net/wlan/index.html?gclid=CKueho6t-
ZcCFQkzawod1VvT1Q

Does the Iphone (the new one) have a free SDK? I am choosing an Iphone
rather than a palmtop just for reason of style.

Hardy

 

[Steve Pope]

I want to send some remote data from a special 802.11 module to an
apple Iphone.
The distance is line of sight (from a model aircraft). How difficult
do you think this would be? I am assuming it involves streaming of
data. the data is only every 10 secs or so. I also want to do
something for another application similar but with audio (full duplex
sampled at around 20kHz).

I found these modules

Does the Iphone (the new one) have a free SDK? I am choosing an Iphone
rather than a palmtop just for reason of style.

For the every ten seconds application, you could do a kluge
along the lines of having the Model Aircraft send out 802.11
beacons with the desired data embedded somehow in the SSID field.
Then some application-layer program could look at the SSID's
of available networks, and extract the data. No association,
no protocol layer, no digging into the handset's 802.11 implementation.
Not a reliable protocol but you don't have to maintain a connection --
just simplex data transmission.

Your second application requires more effort, and such a kluge
is not sufficient.

Steve

 

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I want to send some remote data from a special 802.11 module to an
apple  Iphone.
The distance is line of sight (from a model aircraft). How difficult
do you think this would be? I am assuming it involves streaming of
data. the data is only every 10 secs or so. I also want to do
something for another application similar but with audio (full duplex
sampled at around 20kHz).

I found these modules

http://www.embeddedworks.net/wlan/index.html?gclid=CKueho6t-
ZcCFQkzawod1VvT1Q

Does the Iphone (the new one) have a free SDK? I am choosing an Iphone
rather than a palmtop just for reason of style.

Hardy

What sort of processing power do you have on the aircraft? You could
certainly implement a TCP/IP stack (there are open-source ones
available, like uIP and lwIP) on the aircraft's processor, then
actually create a TCP or UDP connection to the iPhone to transfer the
data. There is an SDK available for the iPhone, but I think it is only
available for OS X.

Jason

 

[Vladimir Vassilevsky]

I want to send some remote data from a special 802.11 module to an
apple Iphone.
The distance is line of sight (from a model aircraft). How difficult
do you think this would be?

That won't work untill you become a specialist in TCP/IP networking.


Vladimir Vassilevsky
DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant
http://www.abvolt.com

 

[Rich Grise]

Your second application requires more effort, and such a kluge is not
sufficient.

There's somebody here who knows how to spell kluge!!

Hooray!!!!! ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

 

[HardySpicer]

What sort of processing power do you have on the aircraft? You could
certainly implement a TCP/IP stack (there are open-source ones
available, like uIP and lwIP) on the aircraft's processor, then
actually create a TCP or UDP connection to the iPhone to transfer the
data. There is an SDK available for the iPhone, but I think it is only
available for OS X.

Jason

Yes I was downloading it only to find that it works on apples only.
There is a fix of sorts that emulates an apple-mac hardware then you
can install os x but it sounds a mission. The sdk is free and has lots
of examples. I don't want to have to buy an apple-mac, so I may have
to do this for a pda instead.

http://developer.apple.com/

H.

 

[Eric Jacobsen]

There's somebody here who knows how to spell kluge!!

Hooray!!!!! ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

There's a right way?

I've seen, over probably thirty years time:

kluj - sometimes with an umlaut, which gives it a little class.
kludge
kluge
klooj

And probably several others.

Is there some formal etymology that favors one over any other?

Eric Jacobsen
Minister of Algorithms
Abineau Communications
http://www.ericjacobsen.org

Blog: http://www.dsprelated.com/blogs-1/hf/Eric_Jacobsen.php

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

There's a right way?

I've seen, over probably thirty years time:

kluj - sometimes with an umlaut, which gives it a little class.
kludge
kluge
klooj

And probably several others.

Is there some formal etymology that favors one over any other?

http://www.bartleby.com/61/50/K0085000.html

 

[Rich Grise]

There's a right way?

I've seen, over probably thirty years time:

kluj - sometimes with an umlaut, which gives it a little class. kludge
kluge
klooj

And probably several others.

Is there some formal etymology that favors one over any other?

My Mom taught me to read while I was still in diapers,
(Yeah, yeah, "Oh, just last year Rich?
Har-de-har har.)
sitting on her lap. with a book in my lap that she was reading from,
pointing out each word as she read it. It was probably mostly imprinting;
I don't remember any words until elem. school.

Anyway, when I got to reading in school, they were using "phonics", where
I learned means "sound it out". So I like words that are spelled the way
they sound. It pisses me off no end that they didn't include the schwa in
ASCII. >:-{

Anyway, I prefer "clooge" or "klooge" - kluge is OK if you pronounce
the "u" right (i.e., long, like the oo in "boot" or "fruit". the 'd' is
optional - but it would keep you from pronouncing it "kloozhe". The point
is it's a long "oo" sound, and "kludge" rhymes with sludge, drudge, fudge,
budge, nudge, etc.

The word is KLOOOOOOOOOOge.

Hope This Helps!
Rich

 

[Steve Pope]

Kludge and kluge are both correct terms with different meanings.
One should learn the meanings and use the correct term where
appropriate. See references below. [snip]

http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/K/kluge.html
http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/K/kludge.html

Fascinating, I read these two references and see definitions
that are sufficiently close to each other that they are
not, to me, two separate jargon-words with different meanings.

Anyway, I prefer the spelling kluge because it is more phonetic
for how the word is pronounced. Whereas kludge would rhyme
with fudge. Others may feel differently.

Steve

 

[Le Chaud Lapin]

Yes I was downloading it only to find that it works on apples only.
There is a fix of sorts that emulates an apple-mac hardware then you
can install os x but it sounds a mission. The sdk is free and has lots
of examples. I don't want to have to buy an apple-mac, so I may have
to do this for a pda instead.

PDA would have been my first choice.

You can use uIP protocol stack on flying device:

http://www.sics.se/~adam/uip/index.php/Main_Page

-Le Chaud Lapin-

 

[krw]

Kludge and kluge are both correct terms with different meanings.
One should learn the meanings and use the correct term where
appropriate. See references below. Klooj iZ h0w c0O| h4X0R do0dz
5pe11 1T. Kluj with an umlaut is like calling a Target store
tar-jay.

References:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/K/kluge.html
http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/K/kludge.html

Nonsense. They're the same words. Those definitions aren't different
enough to be different words, even if anyone agreed on them.

Websters has the same definition for both spellings.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kludge
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kluge



Main Entry:
kludge Listen to the pronunciation of kludge
Pronunciation:
\?klüj\
Variant(s):
or kluge Listen to the pronunciation of kluge Listen to the
pronunciation of kluge \?klüj, US also & British especially ?kl?j;
?klü-je-\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
origin unknown
Date:
1962

: a system and especially a computer system made up of poorly matched components
— kludgy Listen to the pronunciation of kludgy also kludgey \?klü-je-,
US also & British especially ?kl?-\ adjective

 

[Jerry Avins]

Nonsense. They're the same words. Those definitions aren't different
enough to be different words, even if anyone agreed on them.

Websters has the same definition for both spellings.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kludge
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kluge



Main Entry:
kludge Listen to the pronunciation of kludge
Pronunciation:
\?klüj\
Variant(s):
or kluge Listen to the pronunciation of kluge Listen to the
pronunciation of kluge \?klüj, US also & British especially ?kl?j;
?klü-je-\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
origin unknown
Date:
1962

: a system and especially a computer system made up of poorly matched components
— kludgy Listen to the pronunciation of kludgy also kludgey \?klü-je-,
US also & British especially ?kl?-\ adjective

Note that "klug" means "clever" in Yiddish and German.

Jerry

 

[Rich Grise]

.

umlaut is like calling a Target store tar-jay.

Tar-zhay. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

.

kludge Listen to the pronunciation of kludge
Pronunciation:
\?klüj\

OK, this one is spelled the way I don't like, but according to the
pronounciation key, it's pronounced right. This sets up a dissonance
in my brain, because to me, the 'd' makes it rhyme with "fudge".

This isn't a bug in my brain, it's a feature. ;-D

But at least everybody seems to know how to pronounce it! Whew! ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

Note that "klug" means "clever" in Yiddish and German.

Oddly, this seems to make a lot of sense to me - one must admit, doing a
proper kluge does entail a bit of cleverness. ;-)

Cheers!
Rocj

 

[JosephKK]

For the every ten seconds application, you could do a kluge
along the lines of having the Model Aircraft send out 802.11
beacons with the desired data embedded somehow in the SSID field.
Then some application-layer program could look at the SSID's
of available networks, and extract the data. No association,
no protocol layer, no digging into the handset's 802.11 implementation.
Not a reliable protocol but you don't have to maintain a connection --
just simplex data transmission.

Your second application requires more effort, and such a kluge
is not sufficient.

Steve

Actually, both would work better as bluetooth.

 

[JosephKK]

That won't work untill you become a specialist in TCP/IP networking.


Vladimir Vassilevsky
DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant
http://www.abvolt.com

Pish and likewise tush; really heavy net savvy is not needed at all.
Basic understanding is plenty for this (presumes that Hardy has the
sense to buy modules whenever it saves time for the money).