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433MHz remotes with >500ft range

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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Paul is in Finland. The place where they hack a hole in the ice and dive
right from the sauna into freezing water :)

Joerg,

Any reason you have to use 433MHz?

For range. 2.45GHz doesn't give you 500ft sustained unless you really
hammer the power into the air. Which is a problem when there's only a
coin cell to feed things.

Sounds like you're using a box that's substantially larger than a
"fob"??

Yes, as I mentioned it's more like half a cell phone, with belt clip and
a hard stub antenna sticking out.

Aren't there still lower frequencies allowed for such "signaling"? Or
have those all gone bye-bye in the frequency sell-offs?

There are, but those are all different between countries. Makes for a
logistics nightmare.
 
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I AM THAT I AM

Jan 1, 1970
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No, measuring resistances... "Ohm, ohm on the range..."

Tim


Shame, it should be the place where we put the huge number of criminals
which we currently allow to walk the streets.

Mansfield (Shawshank) was 7 X 52 cell tiers. The largest in the
country during the years the prison was in use.

We need more prisons. We need better border incursion protection
systems, and snipers for those that make their incursion for criminal
purpose.
 
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I AM THAT I AM

Jan 1, 1970
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...Where the Volts and Amps play...
Oh yeah... Surround the new prisons with powerful electric fences.
Hell, do the border that way too... the second, inner fence... the one
with the "Deadly Force Authorized" signs.

A L T O V O L T A J E !
 
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TTman

Jan 1, 1970
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Yeah, sometimes I wonder what the guys in Brussels were thinking. Or
whether they were thinking ...

EU operation on 433MHz would almost mandate AM mode and then tons of
correlation. All we need is slow push-button control so an effective
data rate of 10 bits per second or even less would be fine.

I think it's doable at 10bps @433
I had a friend years ago that did an RF domestic oil tank level meter
(UK)and achieved huge range at very low bps.
 
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Paul Keinanen

Jan 1, 1970
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In general I agree, although I think that there's enough total bandwidth
available that for really low-power/distance transmitters such as
Bluetooth/ZigBee/etc., it's OK for people to have, e.g., wireless keyboards
and mice even if they are no more than a few feet away from what could be a
wired connection instead.

The top of your desk or your room are quite natural entities to form a
cell. However trying to communicate with other devices in a nearby
room would certainly be possible using "sufficient" transmitter power
levels, which would ruin the frequency reuse in nearby rooms.

For that reason, it makes sense to use low power base stations in each
room and connect the base stations together with some wired network.
In this way, frequencies can be reused much more effectively. Thus
allowing much more devices to coexist in a given space and frequency
band, including your next superduper wireless gadget :).

Many modern devices for unlicensed bands are quite good in handling
the congestion. For instance, when new DSSS transmitters are added to
an area, each receiver will suffer a small degradation of the
signal/noise ratio of the wanted signal. With a large number of new
transmitters added, the received (despread) SNR is so low that
communication is impossible.

Assuming that you are the first user of band in your area and you
succeed in setting up links as long as the (often hilarious)
manufacturer claims. Some time later (perhaps next week), when others
have installed their systems in your area and frequency band, the SNR
gets degraded, your weakest links will drop out now and then and
finally the strongest short links work reliably. Thus, you either have
to design your network with sufficient SNR margins at the beginning or
be prepared to split your network later, when there are other signal
sources installed that are reducing the SNR.
 
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I AM THAT I AM

Jan 1, 1970
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You Americanions are all illegally there, the land belongs the injuns.


You're a goddamned idiot. Every land in every nation was a conquered
land at some point by some group, including yours, you pathetic piece of
shit.

You are a fucking loon if you think a few scattered tribes across this
vast nation had any claim to the entire nation. They were not even
trying to make such a claim.

And no, the Mexicans have no fucking claim either, and the way they are
acting we should annex the entire country there as well.

"Americanions" is not a word, so retarded twits like you with your
retarded mentality should end up in a prison as well. You are as bad as
an Al Qeda terrorist.

Hey, you retarded ****, at least you can rest in the knowledge that
your stupidity is not as bad as that of the donkey.
 
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F. Bertolazzi

Jan 1, 1970
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Jan Panteltje:
You Americanions are all illegally there, the land belongs the injuns.

But I don't think that they will be chased from there, as the Dutch were
chased from Africa, Asia & America.
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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TTman said:
I think it's doable at 10bps @433
I had a friend years ago that did an RF domestic oil tank level meter
(UK)and achieved huge range at very low bps.

I'll have to dig up some documents about that. I have read about a guy
who did massive autocorrelation and achieved a stunning (and sustained)
range. Problem is, we'd need remotes ready-to-go, off theshelf stuff.
Nicely packaged and ideally with the batteries already in there :)
 
J

Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Michael said:
You don't even want to know what they do in the streets in Alaska,
when it's -20F.

Huh? What are they doing there? All the Alaskans I know are pretty
level-headed and smart folks.
 
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F. Bertolazzi

Jan 1, 1970
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Jan Panteltje:
Americanions committed genocide on the injuns, so that is that.

Well, also maladies and alcohol played their part.
Dutch were never 'chased', we left some colonies to be independent.
ROTFL.

Americanions were chased out of Vietnam though, soon Afghanistan too.
Americanions are dead because they have two parties trying to destroy each other
and the US in the progress.

Tell us about your new Government. Are you happy with it?
After all is glassified by the H bim bam bombs the Injuns will live from the land again.
Americanion injuns that is.

Holland, contry of free pot.
 
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F. Bertolazzi

Jan 1, 1970
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Michael A. Terrell:
Alcoholism was a huge problem in Alaska when I was there in the
'70s.

That was because your problem was so bad that it tilted the statistics or
because, in order to bear you, they all had to drink?
 
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I AM THAT I AM

Jan 1, 1970
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Michael A. Terrell:


That was because your problem was so bad that it tilted the statistics or
because, in order to bear you, they all had to drink?


Your a scwewy wabbit aren't you?
 
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I AM THAT I AM

Jan 1, 1970
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Your a scwewy wabbit aren't you?

Errr You're

Wait an minute! If he can't say the R in Screw, how could he say the R
in You're?! (attempt to divert attention from the your/you're thing. :)
 
Michael A. Terrell:


That was because your problem was so bad that it tilted the statistics or
because, in order to bear you, they all had to drink?

One theory is that the lack of sunlight causes depression. Many Northern
countries (and US states) have the similar problems.
 
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F. Bertolazzi

Jan 1, 1970
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Jan Panteltje:
On a sunny day (Sat, 30 Oct 2010 18:42:07 +0200) it happened "F. Bertolazzi"
<[email protected]>:
But you cannot point to *any* real religion without pointing at yourself.
Why?

The masters of old, the ones that were at the source of these religions were real.

Apart from Muhammad, Confucius, Claude Vorilhon and Ron Hubbard, I'm not
sure of the existence of any other religion founder.
What they taught, showed, these people, was real, it is in the heart of the people.
So if you attack that, then you attack the human heart.

Peple get heart attacks all of the time.
The show that Rutte gave was a clear example in my view of what happens then.

Which show are you referring to?
The solution is not -> against, it is in creating an understanding of the human heart in the people.

Creating an understanding? How? By washing their brains, so they behave as
sheep?
Now none of our current politicians (or any that I know about) is even capable of doing that,

Iosif Vissarionoviè D¾uga¹vi was very good at it.
it is all material interest groups,

You'd prefer religious interest groups? C'mon, move to Iran. It's a
theocracy, what better place in the world?
Also Rutte made a very strange remark: 'The time of the leftist church is over' or something like that.

The Church cannot be not leftist. It's about religion, about how to control
peple by preaching bullshit.
In my view the way things go it would not surprise me one bit if the CPN was recreated,
that was the old Dutch communist party.

I understand your position. That's what happen when educated people does
not have enough work to do. They beacame communist, find an audience with
the illiterate, start making noise and disorders, then the "silent
majority" gets tired of it and elects a dictator. It has happende and will
happen again.
We do not know if humans are the best solutions to evolution

Again religion, again looking for a purpose in life outside yourself.
Only thing you can do is be happy in this moment, as now is the only time you have.
Governments come, governments go, we come we go, use your time the best way possible.
And ultimately happiness is an experience of the human heart, so you will only find it inside yourself.

Exactly. And, if possible, help others do the same.
Nothing is really free, stay aways from drugs, you will need your brain.

Do you say it by experience?
 
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F. Bertolazzi

Jan 1, 1970
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Michael A. Terrell:
Yawn. I've had a couple beers my entire life and I never finished
any of them.

I'm sorry. I hoped you were drunk.
 
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