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Kaz

Jan 1, 1970
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I am adding to my server farm at home. Instead of pulling a second 110
line I was pondering migrating the current one to 220, perhaps
installing a sub breaker box in that room. To wire a sub box, I need to
run both hots, ground and the neutral wire as well right? So I will
need 4 wire cable running across the house rated for at least 30 amps.
And then from the box I can pull off my split 110 with breakers.

I am pondering buying a surplus 6000va/220 ups. From everything I can
find, it does not drop 110 nor do any of the pdus that come with it. I
will assume that the unit wires only 220 hots and ground, so there is
probably no neutral on the output side of it that would allow me to
split it into 110.

How can I get 110 from this unit? It is a Compaq R6000 and nowhere in
any reference does is suggest using it with 110 equipment. I've heard
of folks using these as a whole house ups, but again, you need to tap
neutral to do so right, and I dont see anything regarding that or any
pdu option that splits for you in the rack.

http://h18002.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/10284_div/10284_div.HTML
http://www.g8wrb.org/useful-stuff/powertrust/ups6kuserguide.pdf
 
| I am adding to my server farm at home. Instead of pulling a second 110
| line I was pondering migrating the current one to 220, perhaps
| installing a sub breaker box in that room. To wire a sub box, I need to
| run both hots, ground and the neutral wire as well right? So I will
| need 4 wire cable running across the house rated for at least 30 amps.
| And then from the box I can pull off my split 110 with breakers.

If you are going to power everything at 240 volts (that's the nominal
voltage in the US ... "220" is the legacy name still commonly said),
then you don't need the neutral.


| I am pondering buying a surplus 6000va/220 ups. From everything I can
| find, it does not drop 110 nor do any of the pdus that come with it. I
| will assume that the unit wires only 220 hots and ground, so there is
| probably no neutral on the output side of it that would allow me to
| split it into 110.

Some UPSes will created 120 volts where none was available (e.g. no neutral).
Others will require the neutral be supplied to it and usually provide 120
volts out as well as 240 volts. Some can do 240 only and need no neutral.
But almost all of these are large units, 30 amps and up.


| How can I get 110 from this unit? It is a Compaq R6000 and nowhere in
| any reference does is suggest using it with 110 equipment. I've heard
| of folks using these as a whole house ups, but again, you need to tap
| neutral to do so right, and I dont see anything regarding that or any
| pdu option that splits for you in the rack.

Large computers require 208 to 240 volts to work because at 120 volts the
current drawn is just too much. A UPS like you described is made for such
a computer.

Almost every PC and a great amount of peripheral equipment will work at
240 volts. Inventory all your equipment and check to see just what they
will take.

I'm planning to eventually convert to 240 myself. One issue I have found
is that although most of my wall "transformers" (power supplies in a big
fat plug) will accept anything from 100 to 240, the plugs are standard
NEMA 1-15P variety. I'd have to end up with some power strip with NEMA
5-15R driven by 240 volts, which I would consider to be unsafe to have.
What I'd have to do is trade these in for a different kind of plug. They
don't come with NEMA 2-15P or 6-15P. But they do come with Europlug. So
I may end up with a bunch of Schuko strips. Either that, or set up a big
12 VDC power system (most of the stuff runs on 12 VDC). 12 VDC power
strips with fusing do exist (look in ham radio cataogs).
 
E

ehsjr

Jan 1, 1970
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| I am adding to my server farm at home. Instead of pulling a second 110
| line I was pondering migrating the current one to 220, perhaps
| installing a sub breaker box in that room. To wire a sub box, I need to
| run both hots, ground and the neutral wire as well right? So I will
| need 4 wire cable running across the house rated for at least 30 amps.
| And then from the box I can pull off my split 110 with breakers.

If you are going to power everything at 240 volts (that's the nominal
voltage in the US ... "220" is the legacy name still commonly said),
then you don't need the neutral.

He should run it with the neutral. It makes no sense to wire the
subpanel for 240 only.

Ed
 
T

**THE-RFI-EMI-GUY**

Jan 1, 1970
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Follow this link to page 15, figure 8. I think you need an optional 240
to 120 volt transformer. But limited to 250VA. I think this UPS is not
best solution for your whole house solution.

ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/products/servers/proliantstorage/power-protection/r6000-ownership.pdf
Kaz said:
I am adding to my server farm at home. Instead of pulling a second
110 line I was pondering migrating the current one to 220, perhaps
installing a sub breaker box in that room. To wire a sub box, I need
to run both hots, ground and the neutral wire as well right? So I
will need 4 wire cable running across the house rated for at least 30
amps. And then from the box I can pull off my split 110 with breakers.

I am pondering buying a surplus 6000va/220 ups. From everything I can
find, it does not drop 110 nor do any of the pdus that come with it.
I will assume that the unit wires only 220 hots and ground, so there
is probably no neutral on the output side of it that would allow me to
split it into 110.

How can I get 110 from this unit? It is a Compaq R6000 and nowhere in
any reference does is suggest using it with 110 equipment. I've heard
of folks using these as a whole house ups, but again, you need to tap
neutral to do so right, and I dont see anything regarding that or any
pdu option that splits for you in the rack.

http://h18002.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/10284_div/10284_div.HTML
http://www.g8wrb.org/useful-stuff/powertrust/ups6kuserguide.pdf

--
Joe Leikhim K4SAT
"The RFI-EMI-GUY"©

"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

"Follow The Money" ;-P
 
| [email protected] wrote:
|>
|> | I am adding to my server farm at home. Instead of pulling a second 110
|> | line I was pondering migrating the current one to 220, perhaps
|> | installing a sub breaker box in that room. To wire a sub box, I need to
|> | run both hots, ground and the neutral wire as well right? So I will
|> | need 4 wire cable running across the house rated for at least 30 amps.
|> | And then from the box I can pull off my split 110 with breakers.
|>
|> If you are going to power everything at 240 volts (that's the nominal
|> voltage in the US ... "220" is the legacy name still commonly said),
|> then you don't need the neutral.
|
| He should run it with the neutral. It makes no sense to wire the
| subpanel for 240 only.

Including the neutral when you do the wiring has the added benefit that
you may use the panel later for 120 volt or 3-wire circuits. Of course it
costs a little more up front to do so. It would cost more than that later
on to add it. But for 240 only circuits, the neutral is not _needed_.
Your choice which way to wire it.
 
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