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  1. Don Allen

    Don Allen Guest

    I noted an earlier post - June 17 I believe - discussing suggestions of
    Samsung and Toshiba 20 inch TV's. I'm replacing a much loved Sony KV-
    20XBR (circa 1986 - $750) that finally decided to die (RIP). Frankly,
    I'm not overly impressed with my options. The silver color (obviously
    only an aesthetic consideration) is certainly not a preference!

    Like the earlier poster, I have a maximum dimension in the vertical
    plane of 18.5 inches. My choices are self-limited to Sony, Panasonic,
    Toshiba, and Samsung - in order of decreasing preference. Actually, I
    would have gone with the Panasonic Tau 20 inch, but it's 18.8 inches
    high - darn!! This limits me to the Sony Wega KV-20FS100, KV-20FS120,
    or the KV-20FV300, the Toshiba FST Pure 20AF44, and the Samsung DynaFlat
    TX-P2030. All range in price from the big-box stores from $158 on the
    low-end (Samsung at Sams Club) to approx. $300 for the Sony KV-20FV300.

    Since I've used Sony aperature-grille CRT-based TV's for over 20 years,
    one tends to get used to them. Thus, I'm not sure I would like a
    shadow-mask type CRT television. Obviously, 20 inch televisions today
    are designed as essentially consumables, but reliability and build-
    quality (if there is such a thing at this price point) are still
    important to me.

    Any suggestions would be sincerely appreciated from the technician
    point-of-view.

    Tnx,
    Don W9CW
     
  2. Sony or Panasonic. If at all possible, also take a look at JVC.

    But, since you've got good choices sans the Samsung, go with what you feel most
    comfortable with. - Reinhart
     
  3. Art

    Art Guest

    What ever the $$ will buy, make a selection from what you posted lacking the
    Korean enrty.
     
  4. Jerry G.

    Jerry G. Guest

    You will get what you pay for. From being involved in servicing, I would go
    with the Sony, Panasonic, Hitachi, or JVC in a TV set. My preference for
    quality are the Sony and Panasonic.

    You will notice that on the lower end sets, the raster size will change with
    sudden changes from low to high contrast and brightness in the picture. This
    is due to less stable high voltage regulation. You will also notice that the
    beam focus is not as sharp, and the colour tracking, and convergence may not
    be as accurate. This is just to mention a few simple differences.

    --

    Jerry G.
    =====


    I noted an earlier post - June 17 I believe - discussing suggestions of
    Samsung and Toshiba 20 inch TV's. I'm replacing a much loved Sony KV-
    20XBR (circa 1986 - $750) that finally decided to die (RIP). Frankly,
    I'm not overly impressed with my options. The silver color (obviously
    only an aesthetic consideration) is certainly not a preference!

    Like the earlier poster, I have a maximum dimension in the vertical
    plane of 18.5 inches. My choices are self-limited to Sony, Panasonic,
    Toshiba, and Samsung - in order of decreasing preference. Actually, I
    would have gone with the Panasonic Tau 20 inch, but it's 18.8 inches
    high - darn!! This limits me to the Sony Wega KV-20FS100, KV-20FS120,
    or the KV-20FV300, the Toshiba FST Pure 20AF44, and the Samsung DynaFlat
    TX-P2030. All range in price from the big-box stores from $158 on the
    low-end (Samsung at Sams Club) to approx. $300 for the Sony KV-20FV300.

    Since I've used Sony aperature-grille CRT-based TV's for over 20 years,
    one tends to get used to them. Thus, I'm not sure I would like a
    shadow-mask type CRT television. Obviously, 20 inch televisions today
    are designed as essentially consumables, but reliability and build-
    quality (if there is such a thing at this price point) are still
    important to me.

    Any suggestions would be sincerely appreciated from the technician
    point-of-view.

    Tnx,
    Don W9CW
     
  5. John Del

    John Del Guest

    Subject: 20 inch TV Recommendation
    It's the same thing. A shadow mask by any other name..........
     
  6. James Sweet

    James Sweet Guest

    Actually it's quite different, an aperature grill is a fine mesh of vertical
    wires welded to a heavy metal frame. Unlike a shadow mask, the screen is
    horizontally curved but vertically flat, though new ones are completely flat
    on the outside. There's no horizontal divisions, just vertical slots.
    Aperature grill tubes tend to produce a much brighter though sometimes not
    as well focussed picture. I like them myself but some prefer a shadow mask
    tube.
     
  7. Jason D.

    Jason D. Guest

    For the reference, JVC changes very seldom on case styling, for this
    reference, my AV-20020 black cabinet with speakers on bottom (basic
    stereo w/ one input composite, R and L audio and stereo fixed output)
    is just hair under 17 and half inches height. I see this exact same
    cabinet for other JVC 20" models with more features (like component,
    s-video etc inputs) with front inputs.

    Cheers,

    Wizard
     
  8. John Del

    John Del Guest

    Subject: Re: 20 inch TV Recommendation
    By strict definition, you're correct. But the basic philosophy is the same,
    which is why both types suffer from convergence and purity errors. Years ago,
    manufacturers worked on beam indexing CRTs, that used one gun (a real one gun,
    not like Sony's "one gun") that required no shadow mask of any kind to interfer
    with the illumination of the phosphors. I believe the pre-Ford Philco company
    actually demonstrated a working model in the early 60s.

    John Del
    Wolcott, CT

    "I'm just trying to get into heaven, I'm not running for Jesus!"
    Homer Simpson

    (remove S for email reply)
     
  9. Andy Cuffe

    Andy Cuffe Guest


    I would probably go for one of the Sonys. Picture quality is very
    similar on all TVs now, but Sony still seems to have a slight edge in
    focus. When you're looking at the sets in the store, make sure you
    turn down the picture to a normal level. Even the best TV will bloom
    and defocus at the factory default level. Definitely avoid Samsung.
    They may be getting better, but I still haven't seen anything from
    them that's impressed me.

    Do you happen to still have the 20XBR? If you do, e-mail me because I
    am looking for a set of speakers for my 20XBR. They were removed
    sometime before I bought the set.
    Andy Cuffe
     
  10. billy

    billy Guest

    Sony, Panasonic, JVC, Hitachi, Samsung and the list goes on are all good.
    Many times you get much better than you pay for,
    I got a Samsung 27 inch with remote and a 20 inch JVC with remote
    both work perfect
    $40 for both at a yard sale.(moving sale)
    (compared to a 14 inch citizen brand new for $150)
     
  11. What ever the $$ will buy, make a selection from what you posted lacking the
    What did you think "sans Samsung" meant? - Reinhart
     
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