1kW $50 E-Cat ?

[amdx]

Christopher Calder, who made a really significant suggestion. He wrote:

“Could you produce a simple E-Cat space heater that anyone could plug
into a wall? Most current consumer electric space heaters are limited to
1,500 watts, which is claimed to be enough to heat 1,000 square feet (93
square meters). Such a device would allow even very low income apartment
dwellers to immediately benefit from LENR technology. You could not
possibly manufacture enough portable heaters to keep up with worldwide
demand. Competition is only a problem if you run out of customers. The
E-Cat shortage will be the big problem making headlines.”

Andrea Rossi is pleased with the suggestion. It is very simple yet
feasible and marketable. Rossi responded by saying: “Do you know? Yours
is a very good idea. We got to study it.”

http://andrearossiecat.com/andrea-rossi/1kw-andrea-rossi-e-cat-heater-for-50

Mikek

 

[amdx]

Mikek, have you ever tried to heat a cold space with a 1.5kW heater? I
have a pair of ($35) 1.5kW electric heaters in my 800 ft^2 workshop and
they aren't able to even take the edge off the cold...

At $50 a pop, a 1kW heater might be a cheap nuke - but I don't think
it's a good buy as a heater, and I'm pretty sure Rossi knows it.

My biggest concern with such a heater (assuming it could be made to work
at all) would be safety. Rossi has made statements that LENR
consumer-grade appliances would be safe because, in a runaway scenario,
the nickel powder would melt and the reaction would come to a halt
(because of the reduction in surface area of the Ni/H interface).

That it would come to a halt seems reasonable - but a quick Google
search on 'nickel melting point' will reveal that can't happen until the
reactor reaches a temperature above 2651°F/1453°C. Yikes!

Cue discussion of fail safe designs... ;-)

Hi Morris,
800 sq ft is half the size of my house, the space heaters are
for a single 100 to 150 sq ft room.
There are plenty of 1000 to 1200 watt heaters on the market,
I think I have 4.
I think the safety release is the melting point of the lead shield.
But ya, let's see one working model on the market... Please!
Mikek

 

[Rick]

Christopher Calder, who made a really significant suggestion. He wrote:

“Could you produce a simple E-Cat space heater that anyone could plug into
a wall? Most current consumer electric space heaters are limited to 1,500
watts,

3 kW surely? I use a 3 kW fan heater in my den along with a 3 kW high speed
electric kettle when I fancy a brew up.

 

[amdx]

3 kW surely? I use a 3 kW fan heater in my den along with a 3 kW high
speed electric kettle when I fancy a brew up.

Where you at?
In the states 120 Volts x 20 amps is 2.4kW maximum.
Mikek

 

[Rick]

Where you at?
In the states 120 Volts x 20 amps is 2.4kW maximum.

Of course, I wasn't thinking, the world is now such a localised place
because of the Internet.

I'm in the UK where we use a standardised 13A fused plug which is usually
connected to a 230 volt 30A ring main for ordinary household appliances,
with obviously heavier feeds for things like kitchen appliances such as
electric cookers and maybe bathroom 12KW electric showers, how do they
manage stuff like that stateside?

 

[Han]

I'm in the UK where we use a standardised 13A fused plug which is
usually connected to a 230 volt 30A ring main for ordinary household
appliances, with obviously heavier feeds for things like kitchen
appliances such as electric cookers and maybe bathroom 12KW electric
showers, how do they manage stuff like that stateside?

What's a fused plug?
Apart from GFCI outlets, most houses now have 100-200Amp dual 120V service,
with circuit breakers geared to the circuits they serve, be it 15A 120V
circuits or more powerful, such as 240V air conditioners etc.

 

[Rick]

What's a fused plug?

Apart from GFCI outlets, most houses now have 100-200Amp dual 120V
service,
with circuit breakers geared to the circuits they serve, be it 15A 120V
circuits or more powerful, such as 240V air conditioners etc.

 

[amdx]

Of course, I wasn't thinking, the world is now such a localised place
because of the Internet.

I'm in the UK where we use a standardised 13A fused plug which is
usually connected to a 230 volt 30A ring main for ordinary household
appliances, with obviously heavier feeds for things like kitchen
appliances such as electric cookers and maybe bathroom 12KW electric
showers, how do they manage stuff like that stateside?

Power enters our homes as 240v with a center tap (called neutral).
In our circuit breaker box the two hot lines (L1 and L2) have 240V
between them, this is sent out to dryers, ovens, water heaters, and
HVAC. Then for the the 120v lines L1 and neutral (plus a ground wire)
are distributed to lights and outlets, The same is done with L2 and
neutral. There is an attempt to keep the load on each leg somewhat
equal. These 120v lines generally have a 20amp circuit breaker and use
12 gauge wire, some very old homes have 15 amp breakers/fuses and 14
gauge wire.
Mikek

 

[Jim Wilkins]

...
I'm in the UK where we use a standardised 13A fused plug which is usually
connected to a 230 volt 30A ring main for ordinary household appliances,
with obviously heavier feeds for things like kitchen appliances such as
electric cookers and maybe bathroom 12KW electric showers, how do they
manage stuff like that stateside?

In the US portable consumer appliances are generally limited to 15A at 120V.
The wall outlets are rated at 15A or 20A, with only a few per circuit
breaker and separate circuits for overhead lighting.

Electric stoves and clothes dryers have dedicated 240V circuits with
appropriate plugs and breakers like 30A. This house had an electric
fireplace in the basement with a 240V 30A plug, which I use to run a large
air compressor. It's a standard low-cost tract house from 1970 and has a
200A service with 40 circuit breaker positions plus separately metered
electric hot water.

Hobbyist-sized arc welders and plasma cutters can be either hard-wired (as
are water heaters and large air conditioners) or they can use a 50A 240V
plug.

When we need occasional three phase power for machine tools we use static or
rotary converters or electronic Variable Frequency Drives running off 240V.

jsw

 

[Rick]

In the US portable consumer appliances are generally limited to 15A at
120V. The wall outlets are rated at 15A or 20A, with only a few per
circuit breaker and separate circuits for overhead lighting.

Electric stoves and clothes dryers have dedicated 240V circuits with
appropriate plugs and breakers like 30A. This house had an electric
fireplace in the basement with a 240V 30A plug, which I use to run a large
air compressor. It's a standard low-cost tract house from 1970 and has a
200A service with 40 circuit breaker positions plus separately metered
electric hot water.

Hobbyist-sized arc welders and plasma cutters can be either hard-wired (as
are water heaters and large air conditioners) or they can use a 50A 240V
plug.

When we need occasional three phase power for machine tools we use static
or rotary converters or electronic Variable Frequency Drives running off
240V.

I would imagine that having a dual voltage system must mean that it wouldn't
be entirely unknown for someone to have somehow managed to connect a 110
volt appliance to 240 volts?

I'm pretty certain that I read somewhere that at one time America actually
seriously considered changing their electricity supply to 240V, apparently
the reason they didn't was the horrendously huge costs involved in replacing
millions of household appliances.

I can remember radios brought to the UK by American servicemen during world
war two, they worked fine until someone decided to shorten the mains lead,
with disastrous effects, because unfortunately for the uninitiated, it
incorporated a long length of resistive wire, I believe that the Americans
referred to it as a 'line cord

 

[Han]

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BS_1363>

How can you live withose monstrosities?
<grin>

 

[Rick]

How can you live withose monstrosities?
<grin>

Well the system was designed 70 years ago and had to confront a number of
different issues, such as severe postwar copper shortages and growing
concerns about safety, which still makes it one of the safest plugs
anywhere.

However for some reason size and aesthetics never appears to have entered
into the minds of designers and manufacturers over the years, that being
said however, some of the newer molded variety can be rather neat, also its
mechanical sturdiness does support multi-plug adapters and the ever
increasing number of modern day wall warts rather well

 

[amdx]

I would imagine that having a dual voltage system must mean that it
wouldn't be entirely unknown for someone to have somehow managed to
connect a 110 volt appliance to 240 volts?

I don't know of any instances, but I suppose it could happen.
The outlets for the individual voltages are different. Making mistakes
hard to do.
Mikek

 

[Mho]

How much do you get per hit to promote the existence of garbage websites?

Fucking dipshit!

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Mikek

 

[amdx]

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Mikek

My finances are not your business, but I suppose your jealous.
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Mikek

 

[Mho]

Your spamming this group is my business.

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Mikek

My finances are not your business, but I suppose your jealous.
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Mikek

 

[amdx]

Your spamming this group is my business.

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My finances are not your business, but I suppose your jealous.
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Mikek

Notice: Mho posted the above and signed my name.
Poor little boy has nothing better to do than be jealous.

Assuming your in America, you have the freedom go out and make anything
of yourself. You can do it!

Mikek

 

[Mho]

Troll harder!

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"amdx" wrote in message Notice: Mho posted the above and signed my name.
Poor little boy has nothing better to do than be jealous.

Assuming your in America, you have the freedom go out and make anything
of yourself. You can do it!

Mikek

 

[Tom P]

Well the system was designed 70 years ago and had to confront a number
of different issues, such as severe postwar copper shortages and growing
concerns about safety, which still makes it one of the safest plugs
anywhere.

However for some reason size and aesthetics never appears to have
entered into the minds of designers and manufacturers over the years,
that being said however, some of the newer molded variety can be rather
neat, also its mechanical sturdiness does support multi-plug adapters
and the ever increasing number of modern day wall warts rather well

Outside of the UK, Eire, a few ex colonies and strangely the UAE nobody
seems to use the ring vircuit system with fused plugs.

 

[Rick]

Outside of the UK, Eire, a few ex colonies and strangely the UAE nobody
seems to use the ring vircuit system with fused plugs.

I suppose that in the days before consumer units with RCDs were commonplace,
it wasn't unknown for people to replace a 15A fuse in the fuse box with the
equivalent of a 6 inch nail, which on a 30A ring circuit may not have been
such a good idea.
Therefore the inclusion of a 3, 5 or 13A cartridge fuse inside the plug was
probably a sensible idea, although I have seen people wrap wire and even
tinfoil around a blown plug fuse, which goes to prove that no matter how
well you design something it's almost impossible to make it totally idiot
proof.

However, safety standards on the majority modern appliances are now so high
that there is now little, if any, need for fused plugs.