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log

Jan 1, 1970
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Supposed our alternating current jumps from 60 Hz to
1 khz or 1 Mhz. What would happen?

What appliances would be damaged? Or would the fast
fluctuations average to a DC such that the electric
fan would no longer run? Suppose you increase the
frequency of the AC to just say 200 Hz. Will the
electric fan still run? Or will it run so much faster?
How about light bulbs and flourescents?

Just want to understand the significance of
frequency in power lines. Thanks.

log
 
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Vidar Løkken

Jan 1, 1970
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log said:
Supposed our alternating current jumps from 60 Hz to
1 khz or 1 Mhz. What would happen?

Well, as a motor is a inductance, it'd not work. Higher frequency means
bigger "resistance" in the windings, so there'd be less current. From
50/60Hz to 1kHz, the motor would stop working. The current would be so
small it would probably not work at all, at least have much lower power.
What appliances would be damaged? Or would the fast
fluctuations average to a DC such that the electric
fan would no longer run? Suppose you increase the
frequency of the AC to just say 200 Hz. Will the
electric fan still run? Or will it run so much faster?
How about light bulbs and flourescents?
The electric fan would not work, because it has a inductance, which
would pass no current at higher frequency. Not because it would average DC.
Most appliances would probably not be damaged, since the current decreased.
Transformers *might* work , but would have different characteristics on
higher frequencies.

So most of the things that use electricity, except lightbulbs and
heaters would stop working. I don't know about fluroscent lights, but I
guess they'd stop working, since they're commonly in parallell with a
inductance, which would pass no current, and thus not work as expected.
Maybe someone else can eleborate on the fluorescent lights?
 
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Louis Scheffer

Jan 1, 1970
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log said:
Supposed our alternating current jumps from 60 Hz to
1 khz or 1 Mhz. What would happen?

First, our power grid would not work so well. The inductance of the lines
is already bad at 60Hz, and would be 16 times worse at 1 khz.

Probably nothing will work at 1 Mhz, except maybe heaters, and even this
depends on the reactive component - 1 MHz is just too far from the normal range.
What appliances would be damaged? Or would the fast
fluctuations average to a DC such that the electric
fan would no longer run? Suppose you increase the
frequency of the AC to just say 200 Hz. Will the
electric fan still run? Or will it run so much faster?
How about light bulbs and flourescents?

If you can get it to your house, some stuff will work at 1 khz and some
not. Incandescent lights and heaters should work fine. Stuff with simple
switching supplies (laptops and other things with power warts) may work.
There is no problem in theory (they do AC->DC->AC->DC) but the input filters
might be tuned to 50/60 Hz. Stuff with transformers may well work depending
on the exact construction. (At HP, back when most instruments had transformers
we tested almost all our products at 400 Hz, and they worked well in general.)
Flourescents might come on but will be dim since their ballasts are
inductive. Most motors will not work at all for two reasons; they depend on
the frequency to set their speed and cannot run 16 times as fast, and the
inductive winding will let less current through. Basically you would need to
look at each piece of equipment to see if it would work, or be damaged.

Finally, the audible noise will be horrible. The ear is much more sensitive
to 1 khz than to 60 Hz, especially at low volumes.
Just want to understand the significance of frequency in power lines. Thanks.

It's a tradeoff; higher frequencies can use smaller and lighter power equipment
such as transformers, filters, and capacitors, but low frequencies are easier
to ship long distances, and more convenient for rotating machinery such as
motors and generators. So airplance, were weight is important and wires are
short, use 400 Hz. Spacecraft, where weight is really important, use 2.4 khz.
 
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Antti Panula

Jan 1, 1970
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Just want to understand the significance of

The most part of digital clocks would run 16,7 times faster at 1kHz. So the
normal day would be just under 1,5 hours at this frequency of mains power.

Antti
OH7GLS
 
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exxos

Jan 1, 1970
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Antti Panula said:
The most part of digital clocks would run 16,7 times faster at 1kHz. So
the normal day would be just under 1,5 hours at this frequency of mains
power.

wooohooo, I vote for that during the day, and run it on 1hz during the
weekend ;-)

Chris
 
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