1000 year power source for design?

[Roger Gt]

X-No-Archive: yes
"Terry Given" wrote
: "Hank" wrote
: > "Activ8" wrote
: > > Tom Del Rosso wrote
: > > > "Activ8" wrote
: > > >>
: > > >> Do you also doubt that there was any value to the info
lost when the
: > > >> library in Alexandria was destroyed? I'd really like to
know how the
: > > >> ancients knew of all the planets way before Galileo
invented the
: > > >> telescope.
: > > > They only knew of the planets visible to the naked eye.
: > > > But of course the library was an amazing loss.
: > > The ancients had drawn pictures in stone of 12 celestial
bodies
: > > including the 9 planets, sun, moon, and who knows what.

: > And they knew the earth was round...I think someone
(Pythagoras?) made the
: > claim.

Pre dates Pythagoras by many centuries at least, since the
Phoenicians could navigate by the stars long before his birth.
Also a Greek measured the diameter and was pretty close to correct
before the Great Mathematician got involved with trying to
describe the "music of the spheres!"



: >
: > Amazing all that information got lost for so long.
: >
: > This has me thinking of a new topic of conversation...
: >
:
: Don't forget concrete, which was known by the Romans but lost
for almost
: 2,000 years before being re-"discovered"
:
: Cheers
: Terry
:
:

 

[N. Thornton]

If it no longer there then whats the value.
Seriously though what about fired ceramic CDs for archive use.

In however many decades CDs will be an obsolete. The equipment will
nearly all be gone, and creating a one-off setup to read this historic
stuff would be prohibitively expensive. The advantage with things like
78s is that any schoolkid can make a 78 player in a day or so.

Any long lasting data will need to be self displaying, not rely on
technology now common, but in 10,000 years long gone and quite
possibly long forgotten.


Regards, NT

 

[N. Thornton]

If it no longer there then whats the value.
Seriously though what about fired ceramic CDs for archive use.

But I think the bigger problem is simply what do you have to say on
your 10,000 year recorder? If its nothing of any interest, its all
going to be a waste of time. Just what do we have to say to people
10,000 ahead of now?

Regards, NT

 

[Jan Panteltje]

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But I think the bigger problem is simply what do you have to say on
your 10,000 year recorder? If its nothing of any interest, its all
going to be a waste of time. Just what do we have to say to people
10,000 ahead of now?

Regards, NT

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[Julie]

But I think the bigger problem is simply what do you have to say on
your 10,000 year recorder? If its nothing of any interest, its all
going to be a waste of time. Just what do we have to say to people
10,000 ahead of now?

Drink Slurm.

 

[N. Thornton]

But I think the bigger problem is simply what do you have to say on

Elvis is alive! &
Drink Slurm.

I'll consider that point well demonstrated then

Regards, NT

 

[ddwyer]

Hmm, it seems IBM did some significant "writing" on ceramic and then
fired it, some thirty years ago. Fifty to ninety layers of
writing, IIRC. Indeed, rather smaller writing than even my (at the
time young) eyes could read. Yes, it shrunk, but controlling the
materials and process made everything "come together" in the end.

Refutation, by example (i.e. "the existence theorem").

--

Almost by definition the less energy to record the shorter the life of
the end result.

 

[Clifford Heath]

And they knew the earth was round...I think someone (Pythagoras?) made the
claim.

Also Job 26:7&10:
7 He stretches out the north over empty space
And hangs the earth on nothing.

10 He has inscribed a circle on the surface of the waters
At the boundary of light and darkness.

That can only mean a globe rotating in empty space.

 

[Tom Del Rosso]

Also Job 26:7&10:
7 He stretches out the north over empty space
And hangs the earth on nothing.

10 He has inscribed a circle on the surface of the waters
At the boundary of light and darkness.

That can only mean a globe rotating in empty space.

They also had a rough idea of the value of pi.

When I pointed this out to a friend of mine, he noticed that 7:23 is
also close to the ratio of pi!

http://www.pen.k12.va.us/Div/Winchester/jhhs/math/poetry/biblepi2.html

Biblical PI

A Biblical version of pi
Is recorded by some unknown guy
In "Kings," * where he mentions
A basin's dimensions --
Not exact, but a pretty good try.

* I Kings 7:23

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http://www.gutenberg.net/etext90/kjv10.txt

7:23 And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the
other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a
line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.

 

[YD]

Ceramic, as a storage medium, is a bit low in resolution. It also
shrinks when fired, so it would have to be "written" after firing or the
holes would close. You would need a pretty serious laser (compared to what
is in a cd burner) to write to one. And it would be very brittle,
practically ensuring that it wouldn't survive for very long.

ryanm

Make it the size of Stonehenge or something, in a tiled circle, black
and white tiles. Then some future archeologist could photograph it
from above and transfer to appropriate medium.

- YD.

 

[Ken Taylor]

Make it the size of Stonehenge or something, in a tiled circle, black
and white tiles. Then some future archeologist could photograph it
from above and transfer to appropriate medium.

- YD.

How would you tell this future being to 'photograph from above'? What
happens to the data then? We don't even know what Stonehenge is all about.
The problem isn't storage, it's interpretation.

Ken

 

[Rich Grise]

How would you tell this future being to 'photograph from above'? What
happens to the data then? We don't even know what Stonehenge is all about.
The problem isn't storage, it's interpretation.

Then build huge stone monuments, and carve the information in them
in mysterious pictograph/alphabets...

But don't put corpses in there, or grave robbers will wreck everything. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Ken Taylor]

Then build huge stone monuments, and carve the information in them
in mysterious pictograph/alphabets...

But don't put corpses in there, or grave robbers will wreck everything. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

Ah, but surely something that elaborate must be a treasure trove.......
maybe even stone is valuable somewhere, sometime (makes nice buildings and
monoliths, anyway).

Ken

 

[ddwyer]

Ah, but surely something that elaborate must be a treasure trove.......

maybe even stone is valuable somewhere, sometime (makes nice buildings and
monoliths, anyway).

Ken

Alternative idea:

Code it in DNA, splice it into a viable species of bacteria , place
bacteria in a place with very little nutrient.
Equivalent to bacteria deep in earths crust that only replicate every
few thousand years.
Mutation will be slow and multiple copies means that statistical data
correction applies.
Note we could all carry such a message placed by the panspermian
distributor on epsilon 5

Reply to [email protected]

ignore demon address.

 

[Ken Taylor]

Code it in DNA, splice it into a viable species of bacteria , place
bacteria in a place with very little nutrient.
Equivalent to bacteria deep in earths crust that only replicate every
few thousand years.
Mutation will be slow and multiple copies means that statistical data
correction applies.
Note we could all carry such a message placed by the panspermian
distributor on epsilon 5

Reply to [email protected]

ignore demon address.

Mental note - don't sneeze while leaving a message!

Ken

 

[ddwyer]

Mental note - don't sneeze while leaving a message!

Seems to me that when you propagate your cold virus you could also send
segments of your own DNA splice into the virus DNA which a "lucky"
recipient could find inserted in a few of their own their own cells.
Hence or otherwise sneezing could be a form of sex.
Ill stick to the standard variety.

 

[martin griffith]

On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 23:32:39 GMT, in sci.electronics.design you wrote:

snip

I am also reminded of a late '60s or early '70s article (in 'Popular
Electronics', IIRC) about "Flame Speakers" in which audio drive current was
conducted through the ionized gases, thereby inducing acoustic output.
Have fun.
Dave Cole

http://www.roger-russell.com/ionovac/ionovac.htm#ionofane



martin

Serious error.
All shortcuts have disappeared.
Screen. Mind. Both are blank.

 

[Bill Bailley]

On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 23:32:39 GMT, in sci.electronics.design you wrote:

snip

In the late 60's I was a casual visitor to a VOA transmitter in Phu Bai,
Vietnam. I remember the name "Gates" was prominent on the larger lumps of
technology. While having a pleasant natter over coffee and messhall
doughnuts, I was startled to hear this HUGE Vietnamese voice coming from the
fields outside the building.
The operator leapt for a breaker, spreading coffee and doughnuts everywhere.
With the solid "clack" of the breaker, silence descended outside. "Damn
feeders, arcing over again" was the brief explanation, and we turned back to
a fresh cup of coffee and a few slightly grubby doughnuts.

Bill

 

[terry]

On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 23:32:39 GMT, in sci.electronics.design you wrote:

snip

http://www.roger-russell.com/ionovac/ionovac.htm#ionofane

martin

neat. there is a lot of work being done into moving fluids
electrostatically, which is of course very old. I read a paper in the
last-but-one IEEE industry apps on exactly that approach for fluid cooling
systems. electrostatic precipitators are cool too.

cheers
Terry

 

[Dave Cole]

On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 23:32:39 GMT, in sci.electronics.design you wrote:

snip


http://www.roger-russell.com/ionovac/ionovac.htm#ionofane



martin

Serious error.
All shortcuts have disappeared.
Screen. Mind. Both are blank.

Martin:
Cool site, but not _precisely_ what I referred to. I do, however, find
that anything TOOB warms my cockles (pun intended). ;-)
Thanks
Dave Cole