10 technologies that refuse to die

[Rich Grise]

I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Jim Thompson


Oh, right. I'll unsubscribe from the group, shall I?

OK.

 

[R. Steve Walz]

The problem with people like Walz is that (because of his narrow
minded, hateful and statist arrogance) he believes that anything
that the US (esp the US centrists and right) does (or is successful
in doing) results from deception.

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You're confused. I'm an extreme Leftist Communist.

He even suspends any kind of logic
or thinking when considering US political or military issues -- and
his type of politics is usually wrong...

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I support the war in Afghanistan and Iraq because I support the
destruction of ALL of the several Abrahamic religions and their
antihumane Fundies. After we destroy Islam by obliterating it
and converting them all to secularism by the sword, we should
start on Baptists and Catholics.

Even when Walz (and people like him) happen to be 'factually correct'
the actual process for creating his opinion is so very corrupt that
it is better (generally more probably correct) to use a random
event generator to select amongst the alternatives or even take
the opposite position from Walz. Slowman has essentially the
same kind of emotionally distorted (feeling based upon hate, not
factually based upon real world information) thinking.

John

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You're truly confused about what our various positions are or where
it comes from. All you grasp is what you were brainwashed to make you
uncomfortable.

-Steve

 

[John S. Dyson]

In reality, the end result of your 'communist' attitudes
are similar to anyone with 'statist' attitudes. For the
'little guy' (the average person), the 'communist' type
statism, the 'Nazi' type statism, or the 'far-right
dictator' type statism or even the Saddam type statism are
quite similar. In essense, the practical result of implementing
your ideals are a decrease in freedom.
(Rest of your message has been elided.) You certainly continue
to prove my evaluation about you that you seem to be narrow
minded and intolerant. You are FAR FAR from being liberal, but
are extremely doctorinare and probably even conservative to
the extreme (in the sense of being rigid and unable to accept
other people and their beliefs.)

Thank God (and I am not religious) that as a statist, communist,
intolerant doctorinare, you don't make all of the decisions for
the rest of humanity.

You are a poster child for the reality of the communist/leftist
(and even just leftist) idealogues, where your intolerance for
other people's belief shows that even the right wing in the US
(I don't mean the far-right skinheads, which also exist in
Europe) is MUCH MUCH more tolerant and open minded than you are.

Thank you so very much for helping to back up my observation.

John

 

[R. Steve Walz]

In reality, the end result of your 'communist' attitudes
are similar to anyone with 'statist' attitudes.

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There is NO "State" except the People.
Rightists keep getting confused and deluded about that, or else they
are merely lying, pretending that the State is some cabal or some
entity other than the rest of us just acting in concert. Rightists
need to bamboozle people into thinking that the their own Majority
is somehow their enemy, when actually the People are only the enemy
of the Rich minority who are desperate to deceive everyone to protect
their venal and illicit wealth and power.

For the 'little guy' (the average person), the 'communist' type
statism, the 'Nazi' type statism, or the 'far-right
dictator' type statism or even the Saddam type statism are
quite similar.

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What you're calling the "state" is actually merely dictatorship,
which are always of the rich powerful minority, and not Communism
or the Democratic People's State, which has never yet existed in
industrial nations. Soviet Russia was an Industrial Feudalism, NOT
a communism, nor was/is China "communist", both were run by their
privileged rich power parties, which were Feudal, NOT communist.
Communisms, you see, are Democratic, a don't permit rich minorities!
If something does, then it isn't and never was any sort of communism!

In essense, the practical result of implementing
your ideals are a decrease in freedom.

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Nope, only LICENSE, that of the Rich and Powerful!

(Rest of your message has been elided.) You certainly continue
to prove my evaluation about you that you seem to be narrow
minded and intolerant. You are FAR FAR from being liberal, but
are extremely doctorinare and probably even conservative to
the extreme (in the sense of being rigid and unable to accept
other people and their beliefs.)

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Liberal/Conservative are relative terms, used to describe those in
favor of change versus against it, viz European politics. I wish to
conserve decent human values, which are not yet well-defended in law.
I am also liberal in that I wish to enhance freedoms not now defended.
Your commentary is meaningless.

I want:
1) No one to have a right to own more than one home, one they live in,
unless later the people authorize the wherewithall for ALL of us to
own a summer house or such. We all inherit the World equally from our
common ancestors, including their aedifices and facilities.

2) No one to ever have to pay tribute to the rich nobility to have a
home to live in without fear of eviction. We are all born equally
naked and stupid, and all deserve a home of their own, and should
never have to pay another for it.

3) Everyone to be paid the same for any hour of labor which the People
authorize.

4) All other property and industry to be owned by the Democratic
Majority alone, and for all savings, stocks, bonds, and other
instruments of illicit speculation or investment to be destroyed.

5) All people to receive free food, utilities, and medical care
as long as they do the minimum number of hours of labor which the
People authorize to be done.

6) All other human needs and plans to be made and enforced by the
Democratic Majority.

Thank God (and I am not religious) that as a statist, communist,
intolerant doctorinare, you don't make all of the decisions for
the rest of humanity.

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That can't happen, I don't believe in or support a dictatorship.

Only the Democratic Majority can do that, we get and deserve only
and exactly the government which we, the People, permit.

You are a poster child for the reality of the communist/leftist
(and even just leftist) idealogues, where your intolerance for
other people's belief shows that even the right wing in the US
(I don't mean the far-right skinheads, which also exist in
Europe) is MUCH MUCH more tolerant and open minded than you are.

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You Rich Rightist Criminals are always tolerant of the crimes of
others, because you want yours to be tolerated. Thieves defending
thievery is not surprising. I support intolerance of your crimes,
and of those religions and superstitions that are offensive to
humanity, democracy, and the freedoms I listed above.

Thank you so very much for helping to back up my observation.
John

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You're a nit-wit who only believes the propaganda the rich have
shoveled into your head using school and the media in order to
control their slaves.

-Steve

 

[John S. Dyson]

Refer to the actual implementations of 'communism' or
'leftist' regimes, and you'll see that the people are
poorly considered. The end result of YOUR kind of system
is that there are NO worthwhile PEOPLE except for those
whose lives are being complacently managed by the state. Then,
your kind of system tends to deem those who aren't conformist
will be 'surplused', 'imprisoned' or put into a varation
on the 'concentration camp' theme.

Rightists keep getting confused and deluded about that, or else they
are merely lying, pretending that the State is some cabal

Remember, IN REALITY, the REAL WORLD implementations of your
kind of system tends to be 'everyone is equal, but some are
MUCH MUCH MUCH more equal than others, and some are "degenerate"
or even perhaps biologically unworthy.' It is best to be
honest and design the system to manage the fact that
everyone isn't 'equal' and not everyone aspires to your
state religion. If your system (and people like you) promoted
tolerance of those who disagree with you, then you'd have
some credibility with those of us who do believe in tolerance.

You prove your intolerance by claims made previously. You are
simply an exemplar of your chosen corrupt, narrow minded and
doctorinare belief structure (religion.) If your religion wasn't
similar to the jihadists in too many respects, then I'd tolerate
you as I tolerate other religions. You are just too evangelical.
You mix your religion and politics too closely.

John

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that R. Steve Walz

You're confused. I'm an extreme Leftist Communist.

You are so very far out that you are close to the political point at
infinity, where Communism meets Fascism. Witness your views on Arabs.

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Refer to the actual implementations of 'communism' or
'leftist' regimes, and you'll see that the people are
poorly considered.

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Aren't any, not even actually Cuba, because of its political and
economic position and marked lack of resources geologically.

The end result of YOUR kind of system
is that there are NO worthwhile PEOPLE except for those
whose lives are being complacently managed by the state.

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They manage themselves, there is no "state" as you suggest.

That you do not like, because it suggests the group knows
better than any one person, which only makes sense. You don't
like this because it obliterates the opportunity to accumulate
by criminal fraud and lord your wealth over others and dominate
them for your greedy benefit.

Then,
your kind of system tends to deem those who aren't conformist
will be 'surplused', 'imprisoned' or put into a varation
on the 'concentration camp' theme.

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There are simply limits in any decent society, they are enforced
as the law, just as now!! And while some of you criminal thieves
will always pretend they are merely misunderstood non-conformists, in
any society, everyone who was previously robbed by them, just
as now, will gladly vote to keep these viciously deluded bastards
locked up and enslaved for everyone's good!

Remember, IN REALITY, the REAL WORLD implementations of your
kind of system tends to be 'everyone is equal, but some are
MUCH MUCH MUCH more equal than others,> and some are "degenerate"
or even perhaps biologically unworthy.'

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Who's "biologically unworthy" again??? Are you a racist?

That's true of all forms of Feudalism, including Capitalism!!

What did you actually think permitting wealth and compensation
that is NOT based on one's labor hours was REALLY ALL ABOUT, EH,
you numb-nuts???

But it is NOT true of any ACTUAL Democratic Communism!
Communism doesn't PERMIT unearned wealth gained by fraud and
speculative opportunism!!

It is best to be
honest and design the system to manage the fact that
everyone isn't 'equal' and not everyone aspires to your
state religion.

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Okay, we'll label you unequal and enslave you.
You see, you shit never LIKE a system where YOU'RE not the winners!

The purpose of the State has ALWAYS to protect the weak from the
strong, what did you imagine the Magna Carta, and Democracy, and
such innovations were all ABOUT, eh?

After serfdom sort of ended, the people who "owned" all the land
simply KEPT it, begging the question as to where all us laughably
"free people" were supposed to LIVE!! So far Capitalism has made
the means the landowners use to steal LEGAL, while making the ONLY
means which the poor have to acquire land the ONLY CRIMES!!

If your system (and people like you) promoted
tolerance of those who disagree with you, then you'd have
some credibility with those of us who do believe in tolerance.

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Tolerance for rich criminal thieves? Don't be fucking absurd!!!
It's getting close to the obvious time for your demise, so NOW
you want us to TOLERATE your criminality!! Laughable!! You NEVER
"tolerated" OUR need to take OUR Planet back from you so we could
LIVE on it UNBEHOLDEN to you, so WHY should WE TOLERATE YOU!!???

You prove your intolerance by claims made previously. You are
simply an exemplar of your chosen corrupt, narrow minded and
doctorinare belief structure (religion.)

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Nonsense, religion is merely the only understanding you have for
how to brainwash slaves so they don't threaten you. Secularist
Freedom through Democracy has always been the enemy of You Rich
and Your fucking Priests!!

If your religion wasn't
similar to the jihadists in too many respects,

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Republicans, just like Taliban Jihadists want to convert you to
Islam/Capitalist Slavery by the sword, they want to destroy the
newly developing freedoms of your wives and children to leave
you and your bullying and acquire their OWN LIVES FREE OF YOU!!

And like the Rich Mullahs you want control of everything so that
we all have to work for YOU! You Reactionary Fundies are the
same as the Taliban, and Secular Democractic Communism is the
enemy that will destroy your phony-baloney religions and claim
to unearned wealth, and we will DESTROY you like we did the
Taliban!

then I'd tolerate
you as I tolerate other religions. You are just too evangelical.
You mix your religion and politics too closely.
John

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Nonsense. You only WISH that were vaguely believable!
You're merely using religious metaphor, pretending that
only dogmatic religion has the right to BELIEVE something!
All We believe in is the value of each person and their
equal rights to their planet!!

Secular Democratic Majority Communism only slightly resembles the
dark sick shadow of your sick vicious antihumane religion in that
it is what phony religion can only PRETEND to be, namely, the Truth!

-Steve

 

[R. Steve Walz]

I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that R. Steve Walz


You are so very far out that you are close to the political point at
infinity, where Communism meets Fascism.

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There isn't any such thing. That was contrived by the rich western
propagandists against communism to explain why Russia looked NOT like
a "communism", which ACTUALLY it NEVER was, and instead like a typical
feudalist capitalist industrial-serfdom fascism of the wealthy Mafia,
which were the Politburo in disguise!

Witness your views on Arabs.
Regards, John Woodgate

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Criminals are criminals. People who want to compromise secular human
rights are criminals. It's not about semites, or Arabs, it's about
what a person promotes. If they promote a loss of secular liberties:
The freedom to be privately or publically sexual, the freedom to
inherit from our ancestors a home you can't be evicted from, ever,
as one of your many birthrights on this planet, instead of paying
monthly tribute to the rich "nobility", the freedom to be paid equally
for every hour of your labor to anyone else, the freedom to guarantees
of utiltiies and medical care paid for by the People's State, whoever
opposes these rights are religious cultists and thieves and they should
then be KILLED!!!

If they are another nation and they threaten us, then the Army of the
People's Democratic Communism should give them one chance to surrender
and then just wipe them from the earth to protect everyone from rich
thieving religious tyranny.

-Steve

 

[John S. Dyson]

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There isn't any such thing. That was contrived by the rich western
propagandists against communism to explain why Russia looked NOT like
a "communism", which ACTUALLY it NEVER was, and instead like a typical
feudalist capitalist industrial-serfdom fascism of the wealthy Mafia,
which were the Politburo in disguise!

You keep on claiming that USSR wasn't communist, but keep on ignoring
the absolute fact that it was the logical and inevitable result of
Communist ideals being applied in the real world. In essense, given
your 'idealism', you'll end up creating the very system that you claim
to hate. Perhaps there is a deep psychological desire on your part
that advocates the dictatorship that you claim to hate.

Anyway, your beliefs are self-contradictory in the guise of a
kind of pseudo-intellectualism. You seem to wish to force society
into an unrealistic form.

It is best to let a system be more organic, rather than the dictatorship
that results from a physical manifestation of your beliefs. Your
kind of system ends up trying to herd and cull humanity by your
inevitable elites. This puts you in the same category as those who
advocate Stalinism, Naziism and even the Jihadists of today. (Note
that even though you might condemn one or more of these tyrannical
systems, some of the above systems were also superficially mutually
in conflict.)

Look in a mirror, you might not like what you see. If you do like
what you see, then perhaps there is a seriously evil soul behind
that face.

John

 

[Mike Blankenship]

Does this mean I can only own 1 BASIC STAMP in this "new world order" ?