Vista 20p installation problem

Discussion in 'Security Alarms' started by eric, May 22, 2005.

  1. eric

    eric Guest

    I have the panel set up on a table for testing before installing it in
    my home. I installed a window contact (Ademco PR-20451) to zone 2 with
    (2k resistor in series) and configured as follows.
    Zone type: Perimeter
    Partition: 1
    Report Code: 01-00
    Hardwire Type: Normally closed

    I get a fault on this zone all the time regardless of contact being
    open or close. I remove the resistor and everything works fine! What am
    I doing wrong here?


    I have zone 3 and 11 zone doubled.
    Zone 3 (3k resistor in series)
    zone 11 (6.2k resistor in series)
    Do these resistors act as the EOLR besides being used by the panel for
    zone identification?


    just for kicks I programed a window contact as zone type 9 for fire to
    see how the system would react. my keypads beep but the siren does NOT
    go off. Do I need to do anything to make the siren activate for fire
    alarms? would it be a steady alarm tone? I am using ademco Wave2.

    Many thanks in advance!!!
    eric, May 22, 2005
    #1
  2. eric

    Frank Olson Guest

    "eric" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >I have the panel set up on a table for testing before installing it in
    > my home. I installed a window contact (Ademco PR-20451) to zone 2 with
    > (2k resistor in series) and configured as follows.
    > Zone type: Perimeter
    > Partition: 1
    > Report Code: 01-00
    > Hardwire Type: Normally closed


    Don't set anything for report codes unless you want the panel to transmit a
    signal over the phone line. When you set "normally closed" you're telling
    the panel to ignore end-of-lines.

    >
    > I get a fault on this zone all the time regardless of contact being
    > open or close. I remove the resistor and everything works fine! What am
    > I doing wrong here?
    >
    >
    > I have zone 3 and 11 zone doubled.
    > Zone 3 (3k resistor in series)
    > zone 11 (6.2k resistor in series)
    > Do these resistors act as the EOLR besides being used by the panel for
    > zone identification?


    You've no doubt told the panel these zones are "normally closed" as well.


    >
    >
    > just for kicks I programed a window contact as zone type 9 for fire to
    > see how the system would react. my keypads beep but the siren does NOT
    > go off. Do I need to do anything to make the siren activate for fire
    > alarms? would it be a steady alarm tone? I am using ademco Wave2.
    >
    > Many thanks in advance!!!


    I'd suggest you go back and read the manual. All the answers to your
    questions are in there.
    Frank Olson, May 22, 2005
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  3. eric

    eric Guest

    OK I set the panel for "EOL" and the contact with 2k resistor in series
    everything seems to work fine. When I short the loop or open the loop
    or open the contact, the keypad says fault in all cases. Do I expect
    the panel to say something like "short" or "open"?

    No for the zone double I set the panel to zone double. The was pretty
    straight forward. :)

    Unfortunately the manual is designed for a first time installer and
    assumes some prior knowledge. I can't seem to find why the fire does
    not activate siren.
    eric, May 22, 2005
    #3
  4. eric

    eric Guest

    Keypads are 6160v and 6270.
    eric, May 22, 2005
    #4
  5. > OK I set the panel for "EOL" and the contact with 2k resistor in series
    > everything seems to work fine. When I short the loop or open the loop
    > or open the contact, the keypad says fault in all cases. Do I expect
    > the panel to say something like "short" or "open"?


    Nope. It's doing what it's supposed to do.

    > Unfortunately the manual is designed for a first
    > time installer and assumes some prior knowledge.


    That's pretty much the case across the board with alarm manuals. Give me a
    call Sunday afternoon if you like and I'll try to walk you through it. I'll
    be out flying in the morning; hope to be back by about 1:30pm.

    --

    Regards,
    Robert L Bass

    =============================>
    Bass Home Electronics
    2291 Pine View Circle
    Sarasota · Florida · 34231
    877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
    http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
    =============================>
    Robert L. Bass, May 22, 2005
    #5
  6. eric

    Frank Olson Guest

    "eric" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > OK I set the panel for "EOL" and the contact with 2k resistor in series
    > everything seems to work fine. When I short the loop or open the loop
    > or open the contact, the keypad says fault in all cases. Do I expect
    > the panel to say something like "short" or "open"?


    Nope. It'll report "fault".


    >
    > No for the zone double I set the panel to zone double. The was pretty
    > straight forward. :)


    You're learnin'... :))


    >
    > Unfortunately the manual is designed for a first time installer and
    > assumes some prior knowledge. I can't seem to find why the fire does
    > not activate siren.


    Check your siren time outs and make sure you're getting voltage at the siren
    terminals. In all cases a "fire" will enable sounder.
    Frank Olson, May 22, 2005
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    > OK I set the panel for "EOL" and the contact with 2k resistor in

    series
    > everything seems to work fine. When I short the loop or open the loop


    > or open the contact, the keypad says fault in all cases. Do I expect
    > the panel to say something like "short" or "open"?



    >Nope. It's doing what it's supposed to do.<



    And if Rojas didn't send you a programming CD you'd still think a loop
    was something from weaving class.


    > Unfortunately the manual is designed for a first
    > time installer and assumes some prior knowledge.



    >That's pretty much the case across the board with alarm manuals. Give

    me a
    call Sunday afternoon if you like and I'll try to walk you through it.
    I'll
    be out flying in the morning; hope to be back by about 1:30pm. <

    Yeah you'll be out flying alright. Flying down the highway to Kip's Big
    Boy for the all you can eat brunch special.

    Excuse me, who are you calling white? I'm PINK!

    --


    Regards,
    Robert L Ass
    no wires showing, May 22, 2005
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  8. eric

    eric Guest

    I programmed zone-1 as "Fire" but when I trip the zone the buzzers on
    the
    keypads go off and it says "fire trouble" but the Siren does not go
    off. The
    siren does work for other zones but not with zone-1. Fire siren Time
    outs is
    set to default. What's the problem?

    If I was to add more sirens can I put 2 or 3 sirens in parallel?

    Thanks!
    eric, May 22, 2005
    #8
  9. eric

    A.J. Guest

    Short zone #1 for alarm, open zone #1 for trouble.


    "eric" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >I programmed zone-1 as "Fire" but when I trip the zone the buzzers on
    > the
    > keypads go off and it says "fire trouble" but the Siren does not go
    > off. The
    > siren does work for other zones but not with zone-1. Fire siren Time
    > outs is
    > set to default. What's the problem?
    >
    > If I was to add more sirens can I put 2 or 3 sirens in parallel?
    >
    > Thanks!
    >
    A.J., May 22, 2005
    #9
  10. You either have the resistor in the wrong place or see AJ's comment on how to test fire zone.

    Yes you can wire more than 1 siren in parallel...provided they don't draw more current than the panel can provide in alarm.


    "eric" <> wrote in message news:...
    > I programmed zone-1 as "Fire" but when I trip the zone the buzzers on
    > the
    > keypads go off and it says "fire trouble" but the Siren does not go
    > off. The
    > siren does work for other zones but not with zone-1. Fire siren Time
    > outs is
    > set to default. What's the problem?
    >
    > If I was to add more sirens can I put 2 or 3 sirens in parallel?
    >
    > Thanks!
    >
    Crash Gordon®, May 22, 2005
    #10
  11. eric

    Frank Olson Guest

    "eric" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >I programmed zone-1 as "Fire" but when I trip the zone the buzzers on
    > the
    > keypads go off and it says "fire trouble" but the Siren does not go
    > off. The
    > siren does work for other zones but not with zone-1. Fire siren Time
    > outs is
    > set to default. What's the problem?
    >
    > If I was to add more sirens can I put 2 or 3 sirens in parallel?
    >
    > Thanks!



    Most fire alarm devices are normally open. The panel has to see the end of
    line for a "normal" condition. Opening the circuit will cause the system to
    fault. Shorting the circuit *across* the end of line will cause it to go
    into alarm... The manual explains this.
    Frank Olson, May 22, 2005
    #11
  12. eric

    Jim Guest

    Robert L. Bass wrote:
    > > OK I set the panel for "EOL" and the contact with 2k resistor in

    series
    > > everything seems to work fine. When I short the loop or open the

    loop
    > > or open the contact, the keypad says fault in all cases. Do I

    expect
    > > the panel to say something like "short" or "open"?

    >
    > Nope. It's doing what it's supposed to do.
    >
    > > Unfortunately the manual is designed for a first
    > > time installer and assumes some prior knowledge.

    >
    > That's pretty much the case across the board with alarm manuals.

    Give me a
    > call Sunday afternoon if you like and I'll try to walk you through

    it. I'll
    > be out flying in the morning; hope to be back by about 1:30pm.
    >


    Hmmmm .... Hey gas bag, you really should try to stay away from that
    effluvial causing food.

    Anyway, hope your mooring lines don't snag.


    > --
    >
    > Regards,
    > Robert L Bass
    Jim, May 23, 2005
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