Use ADT system with no monitoring company?

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  1. Tony Sivori

    Tony Sivori Guest

    I'm buying a house that has an ADT system installed. Pretty basic system,
    just the front, back, and basement door, plus one motion detector.

    The house is a repo, so I won't be getting any codes from the previous
    owner.

    I've Googled, and seen that an ADT system can often be reused with another
    monitoring company. Presumably one with better service and perhaps even
    better price.

    But I'd like to go an even cheaper route, and have the alarm call my cell
    phone. Is this possible, and if so how much might an alarm company charge
    to set up the system to call my own cell phone?

    --
    Tony Sivori
     
    Tony Sivori, Apr 28, 2007
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    Carl Carlson Guest

    Tony Sivori wrote:
    > I'm buying a house that has an ADT system installed. Pretty basic
    > system, just the front, back, and basement door, plus one motion
    > detector.
    >
    > The house is a repo, so I won't be getting any codes from the previous
    > owner.
    >
    > I've Googled, and seen that an ADT system can often be reused with
    > another monitoring company. Presumably one with better service and
    > perhaps even better price.
    >
    > But I'd like to go an even cheaper route, and have the alarm call my
    > cell phone. Is this possible, and if so how much might an alarm
    > company charge to set up the system to call my own cell phone?


    <sigh>
    js
     
    Carl Carlson, Apr 28, 2007
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  3. Tony Sivori

    Tony Sivori Guest

    "Fat Tony" D'Amico wrote:

    > Tony Sivori wrote:
    >>But I'd like to go an even cheaper route, and have the alarm call my cell
    >>phone. Is this possible, and if so how much might an alarm company charge
    >>to set up the system to call my own cell phone?

    >
    > If you can find a company to do it.. maybe $65-$100 for a service call.
    > But you won't have much luck finding that company.


    I was wondering about that. On one hand they'd obviously be costing
    themselves a potential monthly income. On the other hand, they'd be
    getting paid for a service call, which would be better than nothing.

    >
    > BTW - The panel does not support calling cell phones.


    Pardon my ignorance, but I don't understand how a cell phone number could
    be different than a monitoring service number. I wouldn't be expecting any
    information from the call, other than the fact that the alarm was
    triggered. (I live alone, so when I'm at work or out I would not be
    expecting any calls from my home number.)

    --
    Tony Sivori
     
    Tony Sivori, Apr 28, 2007
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  4. Tony Sivori

    Carl Carlson Guest

    "Fat Tony" D'Amico wrote:
    > Carl Carlson wrote:
    >
    >> <sigh>
    >> js

    >
    >
    >
    > Since you are the only one to get the reference, Carl, are you too
    > eagerly anticipating 7-27-07?
    >
    > uggc://jjj.nccyr.pbz/genvyref/sbk/gurfvzcfbafzbivr/genvyre1_ynetr.ugzy
    > PUK73


    Nah. I'll wait for the DVD.
    js
     
    Carl Carlson, Apr 28, 2007
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  5. Tony Sivori

    Carl Carlson Guest

    Tony Sivori wrote:
    > "Fat Tony" D'Amico wrote:
    > I was wondering about that. On one hand they'd obviously be costing
    > themselves a potential monthly income. On the other hand, they'd be
    > getting paid for a service call, which would be better than nothing.


    Not really.
    1 Alarmcos do not make money on service, and you would not be willing to
    pay the amount necessary to compensate a decent alarmco to come out and
    program your panel to call your cell phone.
    2 Also the alarmco will not even touch your system without a contract
    limiting their liability.
    3 No alarmco that I know of would waste their time doing it.
    4
    5 Not to mention, it won't work anyway.

    >> BTW - The panel does not support calling cell phones.

    >
    > Pardon my ignorance, but I don't understand how a cell phone number
    > could be different than a monitoring service number.


    I know.

    >I wouldn't be
    > expecting any information from the call, other than the fact that the
    > alarm was triggered. (I live alone, so when I'm at work or out I
    > would not be expecting any calls from my home number.)


    Why don't you do some research (Google) and do it yourself. After all, it
    isn't rocket science.
    js
     
    Carl Carlson, Apr 28, 2007
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  6. Tony Sivori

    Tony Sivori Guest

    "Fat Tony" D'Amico wrote:

    > Tony Sivori wrote:
    >>
    >>I was wondering about that. On one hand they'd obviously be costing
    >>themselves a potential monthly income. On the other hand, they'd be
    >>getting paid for a service call, which would be better than nothing.

    >
    > Not when you add it up- they might make a buck or so, but rolling trucks
    > costs macho-dinner <funny spell check of mucho-dinero>.


    Maybe. But it seems to me the only thing that costs more than rolling
    trucks, is trucks and technicians sitting idle.

    >
    > It's not worth their effort.
    >
    >
    >>> BTW - The panel does not support calling cell phones.

    >>
    >>Pardon my ignorance, but I don't understand how a cell phone number
    >>could be different than a monitoring service number. I wouldn't be
    >>expecting any information from the call, other than the fact that the
    >>alarm was triggered. (I live alone, so when I'm at work or out I would
    >>not be expecting any calls from my home number.)

    >
    >
    > It won't work man. For several reasons.


    Alright, I'll take your word for it.

    >
    > Please do some research before posting something that has been addressed
    > many-many-many-many-many times here before.


    I did. All I found was a few threads regarding reusing ADT equipment with
    another alarm company.

    --
    Tony Sivori
     
    Tony Sivori, Apr 28, 2007
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  7. Tony Sivori

    Neo Guest

    > I've Googled, and seen that an ADT system can often be reused with another
    > monitoring company. Presumably one with better service and perhaps even
    > better price.


    No , ADT properitery panel cannot be used with other monitoring
    companies moreover they can unlock that for you.


    > But I'd like to go an even cheaper route, and have the alarm call my cell
    > phone. Is this possible, and if so how much might an alarm company charge
    > to set up the system to call my own cell phone?


    The panel can call your cell it will call for 32 times and then show a
    Failure on the panel. Alternatively you can chek out at Radio shaks
    about a audio player which on getting voltage can dial a number and
    then play the recorded message repeatedly.



    Neo
     
    Neo, Apr 28, 2007
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  8. Tony Sivori

    Crash Gordon Guest

    "Maybe. But it seems to me the only thing that costs more than rolling
    trucks, is trucks and technicians sitting idle."

    Common misconception...that we have techs just sitting around waiting to
    work on a dead end service call on a local system. Not many alarmco's will
    even work on a local. We do, because we usually recognize a conversion
    sale...but we charge more for service on a local system and we fit them in
    when we are in the area and have time. IOW locals are not a priority, our
    monitored clients are priorty.

    My guys are never sitting idle.




    "Tony Sivori" <> wrote in message
    news:p...
    | "Fat Tony" D'Amico wrote:
    |
    | > Tony Sivori wrote:
    | >>
    | >>I was wondering about that. On one hand they'd obviously be costing
    | >>themselves a potential monthly income. On the other hand, they'd be
    | >>getting paid for a service call, which would be better than nothing.
    | >
    | > Not when you add it up- they might make a buck or so, but rolling trucks
    | > costs macho-dinner <funny spell check of mucho-dinero>.
    |
    | Maybe. But it seems to me the only thing that costs more than rolling
    | trucks, is trucks and technicians sitting idle.
    |
    | >
    | > It's not worth their effort.
    | >
    | >
    | >>> BTW - The panel does not support calling cell phones.
    | >>
    | >>Pardon my ignorance, but I don't understand how a cell phone number
    | >>could be different than a monitoring service number. I wouldn't be
    | >>expecting any information from the call, other than the fact that the
    | >>alarm was triggered. (I live alone, so when I'm at work or out I would
    | >>not be expecting any calls from my home number.)
    | >
    | >
    | > It won't work man. For several reasons.
    |
    | Alright, I'll take your word for it.
    |
    | >
    | > Please do some research before posting something that has been addressed
    | > many-many-many-many-many times here before.
    |
    | I did. All I found was a few threads regarding reusing ADT equipment with
    | another alarm company.
    |
    | --
    | Tony Sivori
    |
     
    Crash Gordon, Apr 28, 2007
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  9. Tony Sivori

    Tony Sivori Guest

    Neo wrote:

    >> I've Googled, and seen that an ADT system can often be reused with
    >> another monitoring company. Presumably one with better service and
    >> perhaps even better price.

    >
    > No , ADT properitery panel cannot be used with other monitoring
    > companies moreover they can unlock that for you.


    My previous Google search indicated that ADT equipment can usually be
    reused, unless "the board is locked". That search was done a few days ago
    so I don't have all of the results at hand. Here's one thread that I had
    previously found, see the last four paragraphs for the relevant portion:

    http://tinyurl.com/yt37hj

    Is the above referenced post incorrect?

    >> But I'd like to go an even cheaper route, and have the alarm call my
    >> cell phone. Is this possible, and if so how much might an alarm company
    >> charge to set up the system to call my own cell phone?

    >
    > The panel can call your cell it will call for 32 times and then show a
    > Failure on the panel. Alternatively you can chek out at Radio shaks
    > about a audio player which on getting voltage can dial a number and then
    > play the recorded message repeatedly.


    Thanks, that is useful information.

    --
    Tony Sivori
     
    Tony Sivori, Apr 28, 2007
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  10. Tony Sivori

    Tony Sivori Guest

    "Fat Tony" D'Amico wrote:
    >
    > Well you have choices. If you think you have enough technical know-how
    > you can do it yourself. You'll need to get a manual and fully
    > understand it - then attempt to gain access to programming.


    Sounds rather time consuming. I'm working a lot of overtime, and I'm
    moving into a repo house that has a lengthy list of minor "to do" projects
    so my spare time is in short supply.

    > Or, you can attempt to find a dealer in your area that is willing to
    > help, but as I said - it will be difficult.
    >
    > Either way - the cell phone idea will not work. You will need a
    > monitoring company, or a voice dialer if you desire notification.


    Since the alarm is already there, I'd thought I'd make use of the hardware
    if I could do so with reasonable convenience and expense. Looks like I'll
    move that idea to the back burner.

    Thank you for your advice.

    --
    Tony Sivori
     
    Tony Sivori, Apr 28, 2007
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  11. Tony Sivori

    Carl Carlson Guest

    "Fat Tony" D'Amico wrote:
    > Carl Carlson wrote:
    >
    >> "Fat Tony" D'Amico wrote:
    >>> Carl Carlson wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> <sigh>
    >>>> js
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Since you are the only one to get the reference, Carl, are you too
    >>> eagerly anticipating 7-27-07?
    >>>
    >>> uggc://jjj.nccyr.pbz/genvyref/sbk/gurfvzcfbafzbivr/genvyre1_ynetr.ugzy
    >>> PUK73

    >>
    >> Nah. I'll wait for the DVD.

    >
    >
    > Not me! Do you see the significance of the release date? <hint -
    > add the numbers>


    That one eluded me.

    > Do you also notice all the other subtle stuff in each episode? It's
    > amazing how much thought goes into each production, and the references
    > made to ancient history. This is by far the most well thought out and
    > intelligent endeavor ever created for television. So many hidden
    > messages - it's fun to decode it.


    We're talking about the Simpsons.....right?
    js
     
    Carl Carlson, Apr 28, 2007
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  12. Tony Sivori

    Carl Carlson Guest

    Tony Sivori wrote:
    > "Fat Tony" D'Amico wrote:
    >
    >> Tony Sivori wrote:
    >>>
    >>> I was wondering about that. On one hand they'd obviously be costing
    >>> themselves a potential monthly income. On the other hand, they'd be
    >>> getting paid for a service call, which would be better than nothing.

    >>
    >> Not when you add it up- they might make a buck or so, but rolling
    >> trucks costs macho-dinner <funny spell check of mucho-dinero>.

    >
    > Maybe. But it seems to me the only thing that costs more than rolling
    > trucks, is trucks and technicians sitting idle.


    Uh, they're not sitting idle, they're busy servicing their monitored
    clients.


    js
     
    Carl Carlson, Apr 28, 2007
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  13. Tony Sivori

    Frank Olson Guest

    Tony Sivori wrote:
    > I'm buying a house that has an ADT system installed. Pretty basic system,
    > just the front, back, and basement door, plus one motion detector.


    What's the equipment manufacturer?


    >
    > The house is a repo, so I won't be getting any codes from the previous
    > owner.
    >
    > I've Googled, and seen that an ADT system can often be reused with another
    > monitoring company. Presumably one with better service and perhaps even
    > better price.
    >
    > But I'd like to go an even cheaper route, and have the alarm call my cell
    > phone. Is this possible, and if so how much might an alarm company charge
    > to set up the system to call my own cell phone?


    That's do-able on some systems. We'd need more information to be able
    to answer that question. There are limitations you should be aware of.
    Most alarms with a "pager response" feature will only transmit the
    alarm once. There's no way for the panel to know that you actually
    received your page (or cell phone message). If you happen to be in an
    area with "iffy" coverage, you could wind up missing the call. This
    will be of no use to you if your house happens to be on fire...
     
    Frank Olson, Apr 28, 2007
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  14. Tony Sivori

    hayes Guest

    "Tony Sivori" <> wrote in message
    news:p...
    >
    > But I'd like to go an even cheaper route, and have the alarm call my cell
    > phone.


    i'd try some illegal aliens. they are cheaper. and it's not rocket science
     
    hayes, Apr 29, 2007
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  15. Tony Sivori

    Tommy Guest

    "Tony Sivori" <> wrote in message
    news:p...
    > I'm buying a house that has an ADT system installed. Pretty basic system,
    > just the front, back, and basement door, plus one motion detector.
    >
    > The house is a repo, so I won't be getting any codes from the previous
    > owner.
    >
    > I've Googled, and seen that an ADT system can often be reused with another
    > monitoring company. Presumably one with better service and perhaps even
    > better price.
    >
    > But I'd like to go an even cheaper route, and have the alarm call my cell
    > phone. Is this possible, and if so how much might an alarm company charge
    > to set up the system to call my own cell phone?
    >
    > --
    > Tony Sivori
    >

    Even though this thread has been beaten to death, here is an answer.

    Yes you can "probably" get the system changed to a local... IF you can find
    someone to work on it. where are you by the way?

    No you cannot have it call your cell and get anything meaningful from it.
    all you would hear is a bunch of beeps and noise. you would have to add a
    voice dialer as someone else mentioned. (i would give proper credit if i
    could figure who is who anymore. JEEZ)
     
    Tommy, Apr 29, 2007
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  16. >> But I'd like to go an even cheaper route,
    >> and have the alarm call my cell phone.

    >


    There's an easy way to do that without
    reprogramming the alarm. Several companies
    make automatic voice & pager dialers that are
    designed to connect to an alarm system. The
    dialers can call from 1 to 8 telephone numbers
    and play one or more messages when triggered
    by the alarm system's "bell" (siren) output.
    Most of these voice dialers will also send a
    digital pager message. They don't send text
    though.

    The user connects the dialer to the alarm
    control panel's + and - 12VDC aux power
    terminals and the "bell" output terminals. There
    is a dial pad which is used to record up to eight
    telephone numbers to be called in sequence.
    A microphone in the unit allows the user to
    record his own messages for different types of
    alarm signals (fire, burglary, panic, etc.)

    The plus side of these dialers is they're
    inexpensive and easy to use. The down side is
    they're not as reliable as central station
    monitoring. The alarm user should decide what
    level of security is appropriate to his needs. If
    police response in his area is fast and his
    alarm company uses a professional central
    station with a good track record, 24 hour
    monitoring is a worthwhile investment. If he's
    in a remote location where services are sparse
    or if his alarm company can't/won't do a good
    job, a voice dialer may be the better choice.

    When any of my DIY customers wants central
    monitoring I refer them to an online dealer I
    know. His company does a decent job (I
    assume so since I've never heard a bad word
    from anyone except their competitors).

    I clients want to self-monitor, I offer one of our
    voice/pager dialers. The choice is the client's
    to make. Here's a URL to our page on voice/
    pager alarm dialers.
    http://www.bassburglaralarms.com/voice_pager_dialers_44_ctg.htm

    --

    Regards,
    Robert L Bass

    =============================>
    Bass Home Electronics
    941-925-8650
    4883 Fallcrest Circle
    Sarasota · Florida · 34233
    http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
    =============================>
     
    Robert L Bass, Apr 29, 2007
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  17. Tony Sivori

    Tony Sivori Guest

    Tommy wrote:

    > Yes you can "probably" get the system changed to a local... IF you can
    > find someone to work on it. where are you by the way?


    I'm in Louisville, KY.

    > No you cannot have it call your cell and get anything meaningful from
    > it. all you would hear is a bunch of beeps and noise.


    Since I live alone, if the alarm were to dial my cellphone when I am away
    from home I would consider that to be very meaningful information. Either
    a break in or a false, one of the two.

    --
    Tony Sivori
     
    Tony Sivori, Apr 30, 2007
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  18. Tony Sivori

    Crash Gordon Guest

    or a test signal, trouble, ac fail, restoral, power fail, opening, closing,
    etc. so if it could be forced to dump to your cell the info would not be
    all that meaningful to you.





    "Tony Sivori" <> wrote in message
    news:p...
    | Tommy wrote:
    |
    | > Yes you can "probably" get the system changed to a local... IF you can
    | > find someone to work on it. where are you by the way?
    |
    | I'm in Louisville, KY.
    |
    | > No you cannot have it call your cell and get anything meaningful from
    | > it. all you would hear is a bunch of beeps and noise.
    |
    | Since I live alone, if the alarm were to dial my cellphone when I am away
    | from home I would consider that to be very meaningful information. Either
    | a break in or a false, one of the two.
    |
    | --
    | Tony Sivori
    |
     
    Crash Gordon, Apr 30, 2007
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  19. Tony Sivori

    Tommy Guest

    Tony Sivori <> wrote in
    news:p:

    > Tommy wrote:
    >
    >> Yes you can "probably" get the system changed to a local... IF you
    >> can find someone to work on it. where are you by the way?

    >
    > I'm in Louisville, KY.
    >


    Too Far north from me.


    >> No you cannot have it call your cell and get anything meaningful from
    >> it. all you would hear is a bunch of beeps and noise.

    >
    > Since I live alone, if the alarm were to dial my cellphone when I am
    > away from home I would consider that to be very meaningful
    > information. Either a break in or a false, one of the two.


    But which is it? Are you going to run home every time it calls? After it
    falses 4 or 5 times and you start ignoring it, the next time will be
    real.

    Ultimately it is your descision. Good luck either way
     
    Tommy, Apr 30, 2007
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  20. Tony Sivori

    Tony Sivori Guest

    Frank Olson wrote:
    > That's do-able on some systems. We'd need more information to be able
    > to answer that question. There are limitations you should be aware of.
    > Most alarms with a "pager response" feature will only transmit the
    > alarm once. There's no way for the panel to know that you actually
    > received your page (or cell phone message). If you happen to be in an
    > area with "iffy" coverage, you could wind up missing the call.


    Could be, but if it is cheap enough to set up as long as false alarms
    aren't a problem it would be better than nothing.

    --
    Tony Sivori
     
    Tony Sivori, Apr 30, 2007
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