TVS diode protection

Discussion in 'Electronic Design' started by Jamie Morken, Jan 29, 2004.

  1. Jamie Morken

    Jamie Morken Guest

    Hi all,

    Does anyone know of any TVS diodes that have 5uA or lower leakage current at
    5V and turn on a bit above that? I am trying to make a circuit to protect
    the analog input of the microcontroller (AVR) I am using. Digikey has a 5V
    one with 800uA leakage, but that drops my (weak) signal by 700mV.

    cheers,
    Jamie Morken
    Jamie Morken, Jan 29, 2004
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  2. Jamie Morken

    N. Thornton Guest

    "Jamie Morken" <> wrote in message news:<Dx1Sb.324088$ts4.160353@pd7tw3no>...
    > Hi all,
    >
    > Does anyone know of any TVS diodes that have 5uA or lower leakage current at
    > 5V and turn on a bit above that? I am trying to make a circuit to protect
    > the analog input of the microcontroller (AVR) I am using. Digikey has a 5V
    > one with 800uA leakage, but that drops my (weak) signal by 700mV.
    >
    > cheers,
    > Jamie Morken



    I'm not clear on your circuit or what youre trying to do. If you post
    it you may get more assistance. Diodes can be connected to a 0.6v rail
    formed by a diode and resistor, this is one approach to fixing diode
    ofsets.

    Regards, NT
    N. Thornton, Jan 29, 2004
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  3. Jamie Morken

    Jamie Morken Guest

    Hi,

    "N. Thornton" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > "Jamie Morken" <> wrote in message

    news:<Dx1Sb.324088$ts4.160353@pd7tw3no>...
    > > Hi all,
    > >
    > > Does anyone know of any TVS diodes that have 5uA or lower leakage

    current at
    > > 5V and turn on a bit above that? I am trying to make a circuit to

    protect
    > > the analog input of the microcontroller (AVR) I am using. Digikey has a

    5V
    > > one with 800uA leakage, but that drops my (weak) signal by 700mV.
    > >
    > > cheers,
    > > Jamie Morken

    >
    >
    > I'm not clear on your circuit or what youre trying to do. If you post
    > it you may get more assistance. Diodes can be connected to a 0.6v rail
    > formed by a diode and resistor, this is one approach to fixing diode
    > ofsets.


    Thanks, I posted a drawing of the circuit:
    http://www.rocketresearch.org/new/temp/r-divider-with-TVS.jpg

    The TVS is there to protect the uC ADC input from high voltage transients
    that may come in from the input signal. The problem I am having is the
    measured voltage is drawn down by the TVS leakage current (before it
    clamps). I'd like to be able to have the TVS have under 5uA at 5V and then
    clamp at 5.5V or so (the micro is specced at 5.5V for max input voltage).
    Maybe I should be using a zener for this but I've heard that TVS are the
    fastest voltage suppressors. Thanks!

    cheers,
    Jamie Morken




    >
    > Regards, NT
    Jamie Morken, Jan 29, 2004
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  4. Jamie Morken

    Chris Carlen Guest

    Jamie Morken wrote:
    > Thanks, I posted a drawing of the circuit:
    > http://www.rocketresearch.org/new/temp/r-divider-with-TVS.jpg
    >
    > The TVS is there to protect the uC ADC input from high voltage transients
    > that may come in from the input signal. The problem I am having is the
    > measured voltage is drawn down by the TVS leakage current (before it
    > clamps). I'd like to be able to have the TVS have under 5uA at 5V and then
    > clamp at 5.5V or so (the micro is specced at 5.5V for max input voltage).
    > Maybe I should be using a zener for this but I've heard that TVS are the
    > fastest voltage suppressors. Thanks!
    >
    > cheers,
    > Jamie Morken



    You should put a capacitor on the output of the voltage divider, to at
    least create a simple low pass filter which will slow down transients,
    as well as provide an anti-aliasing filter for the sampling system. Use
    the parallel combination of the divider resistors to figure the C based
    on what cutoff frequency fc you want from fc=1/(2 pi R C)

    Then, use just a zener diode with low leakage of 5uA such as 1N5231B,
    which will be fast enough.

    Note that the leakage of 5uA will only create an error of about 1 count
    in the 10bit conversion. I suppose this is still to be avoided, but the
    A/D in the CPU isn't that great anyway, especially unless you make every
    effort to obtain maximum accuracy.

    To get no leakage issue at all, use a pair of reverse biased fast signal
    diodes like 1N4148 going from the A/D input to the power rails, but then
    you have to think about whether this is just static protection, or
    overvoltage protection. Static protection will be accomplished with
    just the diodes and good bypassing on your rails. But if you apply
    positive overvoltage to a dual diode protection network, you run the
    risk of it pulling your supply rail voltage up. Thus, you can put the
    TVS on the *supply*. Then you are protected from ESD, overvoltage at
    the input of both polarities, and transients fed into the system from
    the power supply. Just choose the TVS carefully to turn on before you
    overvoltage your components, and not too soon so it doesn't sit there
    partially conducting all the time. A more cautious approach is to use
    an SCR crowbar for slow overvoltage protection of the power, and a TVS
    that you are sure won't conduct at the normal supply voltage.

    It can drive one nuts trying to figure out what level of protection to
    employ, and the various tradeoffs.

    Good day!


    --
    ____________________________________
    Christopher R. Carlen
    Principal Laser/Optical Technologist
    Sandia National Laboratories CA USA
    Chris Carlen, Jan 29, 2004
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  5. Jamie Morken

    Jamie Morken Guest

    Hi,

    "Chris Carlen" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Jamie Morken wrote:
    > > Thanks, I posted a drawing of the circuit:
    > > http://www.rocketresearch.org/new/temp/r-divider-with-TVS.jpg
    > >
    > > The TVS is there to protect the uC ADC input from high voltage

    transients
    > > that may come in from the input signal. The problem I am having is the
    > > measured voltage is drawn down by the TVS leakage current (before it
    > > clamps). I'd like to be able to have the TVS have under 5uA at 5V and

    then
    > > clamp at 5.5V or so (the micro is specced at 5.5V for max input

    voltage).
    > > Maybe I should be using a zener for this but I've heard that TVS are the
    > > fastest voltage suppressors. Thanks!
    > >
    > > cheers,
    > > Jamie Morken

    >
    >
    > You should put a capacitor on the output of the voltage divider, to at
    > least create a simple low pass filter which will slow down transients,
    > as well as provide an anti-aliasing filter for the sampling system. Use
    > the parallel combination of the divider resistors to figure the C based
    > on what cutoff frequency fc you want from fc=1/(2 pi R C)
    >
    > Then, use just a zener diode with low leakage of 5uA such as 1N5231B,
    > which will be fast enough.
    >


    Thanks for all the info! I checked the datasheet for the 1N5231B and it has
    5uA at 2Volts, and doesn't specify
    the leakage above that (its zener voltage is 5.1V)
    I think I would go for the 1N5232B a 5.6V zener that has 5uA at 3Volts. Not
    sure what its leakage would be at 5Volts though (not in the datasheet)

    cheers,
    Jamie Morken



    > Note that the leakage of 5uA will only create an error of about 1 count
    > in the 10bit conversion. I suppose this is still to be avoided, but the
    > A/D in the CPU isn't that great anyway, especially unless you make every
    > effort to obtain maximum accuracy.
    >
    > To get no leakage issue at all, use a pair of reverse biased fast signal
    > diodes like 1N4148 going from the A/D input to the power rails, but then
    > you have to think about whether this is just static protection, or
    > overvoltage protection. Static protection will be accomplished with
    > just the diodes and good bypassing on your rails. But if you apply
    > positive overvoltage to a dual diode protection network, you run the
    > risk of it pulling your supply rail voltage up. Thus, you can put the
    > TVS on the *supply*. Then you are protected from ESD, overvoltage at
    > the input of both polarities, and transients fed into the system from
    > the power supply. Just choose the TVS carefully to turn on before you
    > overvoltage your components, and not too soon so it doesn't sit there
    > partially conducting all the time. A more cautious approach is to use
    > an SCR crowbar for slow overvoltage protection of the power, and a TVS
    > that you are sure won't conduct at the normal supply voltage.
    >
    > It can drive one nuts trying to figure out what level of protection to
    > employ, and the various tradeoffs.
    >
    > Good day!
    >
    >
    > --
    > ____________________________________
    > Christopher R. Carlen
    > Principal Laser/Optical Technologist
    > Sandia National Laboratories CA USA
    >
    >
    Jamie Morken, Jan 30, 2004
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