Testing FET transistors ?

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  1. phil

    phil Guest

    Is it possible to test if a FET transistor is o.k. with an ohmmeter,
    i.e. with bipolar we simply check that the two diodes are o.k.
    but with FET we do not have this npn structure, so what do we
    do?
     
    phil, Apr 13, 2004
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  2. "phil" <> wrote in message
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    > Is it possible to test if a FET transistor is o.k. with an ohmmeter,
    > i.e. with bipolar we simply check that the two diodes are o.k.
    > but with FET we do not have this npn structure, so what do we
    > do?



    By FET I assume you mean MOSFET, rather than JFET or MESFET or anything
    else. This is an important distinction in this case since testing a JFET or
    MESFET for instance isn't the same as testing a MOSFET.

    Usually simply doing an ohm test between gate and source (or drain for that
    matter) is sufficient to reveal if the device is any good or not. A good
    device will normally read many meg-ohms or over range on your digital ohm
    meter while a bad device will typically measure 0 ohms to say a few hundred
    ohms. You can also (if you want) do an ohm test between drain and source
    (red lead to drain, black to source). A bad device would typically read
    zero ohms to a few hundred ohms as well even if you short the gate to the
    source. A good device should read many meg-ohms or over range if the gate
    is shorted to the source.

    This isn't a 100% foolproof test however. Sometimes power MOSFETs explode
    (same goes with BJTs and other devices though) sometimes breaking the
    plastic case. Sometimes the whole case is blown apart or sometimes just a
    little hole is made in the case and some high pressure gas escapes
    accompanied by a visible and audible snap. This is much more likely to
    occur in directly mains powered circuits than from other power sources. In
    these cases sometimes the MOSFET is so horribly damaged that the pins don't
    always remain connected to the die (sometimes the whole pins with some of
    the plastic case come flying off the rest of the package). In these cases
    sometimes the above indicated gate-source ohm test will suggest an infinite
    resistance result even though the device is clearly destroyed. Typically it
    is hard to misdiagnose this situation however since the MOSFET is visibly
    damaged and/or when it failed it made a very memorable snapping sound.
     
    Fritz Schlunder, Apr 13, 2004
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  3. phil

    Seth Koster Guest

    "phil" <> wrote in message news:<c5glrf$hhq$>...
    > Is it possible to test if a FET transistor is o.k. with an ohmmeter,
    > i.e. with bipolar we simply check that the two diodes are o.k.
    > but with FET we do not have this npn structure, so what do we
    > do?


    If its a n-channel JFET pos lead of ohmmeter connects to gate and a
    diode junction should be indicated from gate to source and gate to
    drain, reversing the leads (neg to gate) should produce no connection
    from gate to drain or gate to source. When leads are connected to
    source and drain there should be some resistance, amount dependant
    upon specific device. To test a p-channel JFET reverse the procedure
    (neg to gate).
    MOSFETS are difficult to test at best. Use a LOW POWER ohmmeter
    set at HIGHEST resistance. If a DE-MOSFET there should be some
    continuity between source and drain but none from gate to either
    source or drain. A E-MOSFET should show
    no continuity between any of the pins. You can sometimes destroy
    MOSFETS just by touching them with a finger, though.
     
    Seth Koster, Apr 13, 2004
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  4. phil

    nihoa Guest

    "phil" <> wrote in message
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    > Is it possible to test if a FET transistor is o.k. with an ohmmeter,
    > i.e. with bipolar we simply check that the two diodes are o.k.
    > but with FET we do not have this npn structure, so what do we
    > do?
    >
    >
    >

    Get yourself a Transistor/FET tester. If money is a problem, you can get
    one for cheap on Ebay. Search for Sencore. I have one and it works great.
    Having a checker sure helps to eliminate the guesswork.

    Nihoa
     
    nihoa, Apr 13, 2004
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  5. phil

    Rich Grise Guest

    "nihoa" <> wrote in message
    news:vZZec.8975$...
    >
    > "phil" <> wrote in message
    > news:c5glrf$hhq$...
    > > Is it possible to test if a FET transistor is o.k. with an ohmmeter,
    > > i.e. with bipolar we simply check that the two diodes are o.k.
    > > but with FET we do not have this npn structure, so what do we
    > > do?
    > >
    > >
    > >

    > Get yourself a Transistor/FET tester. If money is a problem, you can get
    > one for cheap on Ebay. Search for Sencore. I have one and it works

    great.
    > Having a checker sure helps to eliminate the guesswork.
    >
    > Nihoa
    >


    I've done a really, really crude test with an ohmmeter. For an N-channel
    MOSFET, for example, I connect the meter S-D, with the gate floating.
    I get an "off" resistance. Then, I touch the drain lead and gate lead
    with my finger(s). If the FET is working, that little leakage through
    my skin _should_ make it conduct.

    Interestingly, this can work with darlingtons as well.

    I don't know about a JFET - it probably looks like a diode S-G and D-G,
    but for a transconductance test you'd have to come up with some
    reverse bias.

    Have Fun!
    Rich
     
    Rich Grise, Apr 15, 2004
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  6. phil

    ddwyer Guest

    In article <iakfc.30770$>, Rich Grise
    <> writes
    >"nihoa" <> wrote in message
    >news:vZZec.8975$...
    >>
    >> "phil" <> wrote in message
    >> news:c5glrf$hhq$...
    >> > Is it possible to test if a FET transistor is o.k. with an ohmmeter,
    >> > i.e. with bipolar we simply check that the two diodes are o.k.
    >> > but with FET we do not have this npn structure, so what do we
    >> > do?
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >

    >> Get yourself a Transistor/FET tester. If money is a problem, you can get
    >> one for cheap on Ebay. Search for Sencore. I have one and it works

    >great.
    >> Having a checker sure helps to eliminate the guesswork.
    >>
    >> Nihoa
    >>

    >
    >I've done a really, really crude test with an ohmmeter. For an N-channel
    >MOSFET, for example, I connect the meter S-D, with the gate floating.
    >I get an "off" resistance. Then, I touch the drain lead and gate lead
    >with my finger(s). If the FET is working, that little leakage through
    >my skin _should_ make it conduct.
    >
    >Interestingly, this can work with darlingtons as well.
    >
    >I don't know about a JFET - it probably looks like a diode S-G and D-G,
    >but for a transconductance test you'd have to come up with some
    >reverse bias.
    >
    >Have Fun!
    >Rich
    >
    >

    Same thing also works with jfets my normal means of testing all fets

    --
    ddwyer
     
    ddwyer, Apr 15, 2004
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  7. "phil" <> wrote in message
    news:c5glrf$hhq$...
    > Is it possible to test if a FET transistor is o.k. with an ohmmeter,
    > i.e. with bipolar we simply check that the two diodes are o.k.
    > but with FET we do not have this npn structure, so what do we
    > do?
    >
    >
    >


    Using your finger on MOSFET devices can blow the gate due to static buildup.
    Here are some simple tests:

    N-MOSFET enhancement, get two 1k ohm resistors and a normally open push
    button. Hook the gate and drain up to 10V through separate 1k ohm resistors,
    and the source to ground. The source should be close to 0. Now, hook up the
    push button between the gate and ground. When you push the button, the
    source pin should shoot up to 10V. When you release it, it should go back
    down to near 0. If you can measure the voltage accurately (call it V), when
    the button isn't pushed, the Rds should be around 1000*V/(10-V).

    10V
    |
    +---+----+
    | |
    .-. .-.
    1k | | | | 1k
    | | | |
    '-' '-'
    | | Vdrain
    | +--------------o
    | |
    | ||-+D
    | ||<- N-MOSFET (enhancement)
    +----G||-+S
    | |
    | o |
    |=|> |
    | o |
    | |
    +--------+
    |
    ===
    GND
    created by Andy´s ASCII-Circuit v1.24.140803 Beta www.tech-chat.de

    P-MOSFET enhancement, same circuit, except exchange 10V and GND everywhere
    in the description.

    N-JFET, its a depletion device, which contains diodes. A diode tester will
    give you a Vf if you hook the gate to the + and either source or drain to
    the - terminal. However, depending on the JFET and tester, this might not be
    good for the JFET.

    Another way to test it is by running it. You can do this by hooking up the
    source to the gate should let current flow. If you lower the gate voltage
    below the source, it should turn off. So, hook up a 1k resistor between the
    source and ground. Hook the drain to 10V, and the gate to the source. The
    voltage at the source should be fairly close to 10V. Call this Vsource. If
    you then hook up the gate to gnd, the voltage at the gate should drop to
    near 0. Assuming you measure Vsource, then the Idss (which is the 0V
    current) should be Vsource/1000.

    10V
    +
    |
    |
    |
    SPDT |
    |--------o |-+D
    | __--oG->| N-JFET
    | |---o |-+S
    | | | Vsource
    | --------------+-------------o
    | |
    | .-.
    | | | 1k
    | | |
    | '-'
    | |
    +---------+--------+
    GND
    created by Andy´s ASCII-Circuit v1.24.140803 Beta www.tech-chat.de

    Again, reverse the GND and 10V to test a P-JFET.

    Note that you can destroy a JFET by forward biasing the gate and channel, so
    make sure you never make the gate of a N-JFET greater than 0.6V than either
    source or drain.

    Regards,
    Bob Monsen
     
    Robert C Monsen, Apr 17, 2004
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  8. phil

    phil Guest

    "Robert C Monsen" <> wrote in message
    news:sGdgc.151102$gA5.1812797@attbi_s03...
    > "phil" <> wrote in message
    > news:c5glrf$hhq$...
    > > Is it possible to test if a FET transistor is o.k. with an ohmmeter,
    > > i.e. with bipolar we simply check that the two diodes are o.k.
    > > but with FET we do not have this npn structure, so what do we
    > > do?
    > >
    > >
    > >

    >
    > Using your finger on MOSFET devices can blow the gate due to static

    buildup.
    > Here are some simple tests:
    >
    > N-MOSFET enhancement, get two 1k ohm resistors and a normally open push
    > button. Hook the gate and drain up to 10V through separate 1k ohm

    resistors,
    > and the source to ground. The source should be close to 0. Now, hook up

    the
    > push button between the gate and ground. When you push the button, the
    > source pin should shoot up to 10V. When you release it, it should go back



    How exactly will source shoot up to 10V if it is connected to ground ?


    > down to near 0. If you can measure the voltage accurately (call it V),

    when
    > the button isn't pushed, the Rds should be around 1000*V/(10-V).
    >
    > 10V
    > |
    > +---+----+
    > | |
    > .-. .-.
    > 1k | | | | 1k
    > | | | |
    > '-' '-'
    > | | Vdrain
    > | +--------------o
    > | |
    > | ||-+D
    > | ||<- N-MOSFET (enhancement)
    > +----G||-+S
    > | |
    > | o |
    > |=|> |
    > | o |
    > | |
    > +--------+
    > |
    > ===
    > GND
    > created by Andy´s ASCII-Circuit v1.24.140803 Beta www.tech-chat.de
    >
    > P-MOSFET enhancement, same circuit, except exchange 10V and GND everywhere
    > in the description.
    >
    > N-JFET, its a depletion device, which contains diodes. A diode tester will
    > give you a Vf if you hook the gate to the + and either source or drain to
    > the - terminal. However, depending on the JFET and tester, this might not

    be
    > good for the JFET.
    >
    > Another way to test it is by running it. You can do this by hooking up the
    > source to the gate should let current flow. If you lower the gate voltage
    > below the source, it should turn off. So, hook up a 1k resistor between

    the
    > source and ground. Hook the drain to 10V, and the gate to the source. The
    > voltage at the source should be fairly close to 10V. Call this Vsource. If
    > you then hook up the gate to gnd, the voltage at the gate should drop to
    > near 0. Assuming you measure Vsource, then the Idss (which is the 0V
    > current) should be Vsource/1000.
    >
    > 10V
    > +
    > |
    > |
    > |
    > SPDT |
    > |--------o |-+D
    > | __--oG->| N-JFET
    > | |---o |-+S
    > | | | Vsource
    > | --------------+-------------o
    > | |
    > | .-.
    > | | | 1k
    > | | |
    > | '-'
    > | |
    > +---------+--------+
    > GND
    > created by Andy´s ASCII-Circuit v1.24.140803 Beta www.tech-chat.de
    >
    > Again, reverse the GND and 10V to test a P-JFET.
    >
    > Note that you can destroy a JFET by forward biasing the gate and channel,

    so
    > make sure you never make the gate of a N-JFET greater than 0.6V than

    either
    > source or drain.
    >
    > Regards,
    > Bob Monsen
    >
    >
     
    phil, Apr 18, 2004
    #8
  9. "phil" <> wrote:

    >Is it possible to test if a FET transistor is o.k. with an ohmmeter,
    >i.e. with bipolar we simply check that the two diodes are o.k.
    >but with FET we do not have this npn structure, so what do we
    >do?
    >


    If it's a tester you want, rather than an answer to your question, I
    built the attached into a 2 oz tobacco tin fitted with three short
    miniature croc-clip connections about 20 years ago. Seems to work OK.

    http://www.terrypin.dial.pipex.com/Images/FET-Tester.gif

    --
    Terry Pinnell
    Hobbyist, West Sussex, UK
     
    Terry Pinnell, Apr 18, 2004
    #9
  10. phil

    phil Guest

    "Terry Pinnell" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > "phil" <> wrote:
    >
    > >Is it possible to test if a FET transistor is o.k. with an ohmmeter,
    > >i.e. with bipolar we simply check that the two diodes are o.k.
    > >but with FET we do not have this npn structure, so what do we
    > >do?
    > >

    >
    > If it's a tester you want, rather than an answer to your question, I
    > built the attached into a 2 oz tobacco tin fitted with three short
    > miniature croc-clip connections about 20 years ago. Seems to work OK.
    >
    > http://www.terrypin.dial.pipex.com/Images/FET-Tester.gif
    >


    Well, I was hoping for a simple procedure like in bipolars. Since I was
    actually refering to jfet, someone has pointed out that it is the same as
    with bipolar and also there is no need to be worried about static.
    With mosfet, I gather from replies here that 1. there is no simple way,
    i.e. it can only be tested by testing an application (some circuit which
    incorporates it) and seeing if the application is working and 2. I need
    to be carefull not to touch the legs of the transistor because they are
    sensitive like pc memory. I gather your circuit is some sort of buzzer,
    I will have a look at it and let you know my (hobbyist) opinion.

    > --
    > Terry Pinnell
    > Hobbyist, West Sussex, UK
    >
    >
     
    phil, Apr 18, 2004
    #10
  11. "phil" <> wrote in message
    news:c5tjns$sau$...
    >
    > "Robert C Monsen" <> wrote in message
    > news:sGdgc.151102$gA5.1812797@attbi_s03...
    > > "phil" <> wrote in message
    > > news:c5glrf$hhq$...
    > > > Is it possible to test if a FET transistor is o.k. with an ohmmeter,
    > > > i.e. with bipolar we simply check that the two diodes are o.k.
    > > > but with FET we do not have this npn structure, so what do we
    > > > do?
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > > Using your finger on MOSFET devices can blow the gate due to static

    > buildup.
    > > Here are some simple tests:
    > >
    > > N-MOSFET enhancement, get two 1k ohm resistors and a normally open push
    > > button. Hook the gate and drain up to 10V through separate 1k ohm

    > resistors,
    > > and the source to ground. The source should be close to 0. Now, hook up

    > the
    > > push button between the gate and ground. When you push the button, the
    > > source pin should shoot up to 10V. When you release it, it should go

    back
    >
    >
    > How exactly will source shoot up to 10V if it is connected to ground ?
    >


    typo, its the drain pin that will go up. thanks for pointing that out. When
    you
    push the button, the gate will be grounded, so the mosfet won't conduct.
    That
    allows the drain resistor to pull up the Vdrain output.

    >
    > > down to near 0. If you can measure the voltage accurately (call it V),

    > when
    > > the button isn't pushed, the Rds should be around 1000*V/(10-V).
    > >
    > > 10V
    > > |
    > > +---+----+
    > > | |
    > > .-. .-.
    > > 1k | | | | 1k
    > > | | | |
    > > '-' '-'
    > > | | Vdrain
    > > | +--------------o
    > > | |
    > > | ||-+D
    > > | ||<- N-MOSFET (enhancement)
    > > +----G||-+S
    > > | |
    > > | o |
    > > |=|> |
    > > | o |
    > > | |
    > > +--------+
    > > |
    > > ===
    > > GND
    > > created by Andy´s ASCII-Circuit v1.24.140803 Beta www.tech-chat.de
    > >
    > > P-MOSFET enhancement, same circuit, except exchange 10V and GND

    everywhere
    > > in the description.
    > >
    > > N-JFET, its a depletion device, which contains diodes. A diode tester

    will
    > > give you a Vf if you hook the gate to the + and either source or drain

    to
    > > the - terminal. However, depending on the JFET and tester, this might

    not
    > be
    > > good for the JFET.
    > >
    > > Another way to test it is by running it. You can do this by hooking up

    the
    > > source to the gate should let current flow. If you lower the gate

    voltage
    > > below the source, it should turn off. So, hook up a 1k resistor between

    > the
    > > source and ground. Hook the drain to 10V, and the gate to the source.

    The
    > > voltage at the source should be fairly close to 10V. Call this Vsource.

    If
    > > you then hook up the gate to gnd, the voltage at the gate should drop to
    > > near 0. Assuming you measure Vsource, then the Idss (which is the 0V
    > > current) should be Vsource/1000.
    > >
    > > 10V
    > > +
    > > |
    > > |
    > > |
    > > SPDT |
    > > |--------o |-+D
    > > | __--oG->| N-JFET
    > > | |---o |-+S
    > > | | | Vsource
    > > | --------------+-------------o
    > > | |
    > > | .-.
    > > | | | 1k
    > > | | |
    > > | '-'
    > > | |
    > > +---------+--------+
    > > GND
    > > created by Andy´s ASCII-Circuit v1.24.140803 Beta www.tech-chat.de
    > >
    > > Again, reverse the GND and 10V to test a P-JFET.
    > >
    > > Note that you can destroy a JFET by forward biasing the gate and

    channel,
    > so
    > > make sure you never make the gate of a N-JFET greater than 0.6V than

    > either
    > > source or drain.
    > >
    > > Regards,
    > > Bob Monsen
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
     
    Robert C Monsen, Apr 25, 2004
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