Re: Ademco Vista 15P PGM output for armed condition

Discussion in 'Security Alarms' started by Jim Rojas, Nov 23, 2009.

  1. Jim Rojas

    Jim Rojas Guest

    Effenpig1 wrote:
    > On Nov 23, 1:40 pm, Tower Security<> wrote:
    >> Don't use Ademco much but have an application where the customer would
    >> like an elevator disabled while the system is armed. I think I've
    >> seen pins coming off the board that references a PGM output? Does
    >> anyone know the details needed to give me a PGM output on a Vista 15p
    >> that follows armed status?
    >>
    >> TIA
    >> Reg
    >> Tower Security Systems Inc.
    >> regsiemens at hotmail.com

    >
    > I assume you are considering using an on-board relay in the panel to
    > "break" a control circuit to disable the elevator. Before you commit
    > to this you need to consider a few fine points. If the elevator is in
    > use, will your setup allow it to finish its cycle? What would happen
    > in case of a failure of this "circuit" or the panel itself ? What does
    > code say about this? How good is your insurance?


    Elevator recall hookup is best left handled by the servicing elevator
    company. You would need to use a 4204 relay module. You will have to run
    a pair to either the elevator control room, or where ever the elevator
    company makes the connections. Use fire rated wire, 18/4 minimum just in
    case.

    Jim Rojas
     
    Jim Rojas, Nov 23, 2009
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  2. Jim Rojas

    alarman Guest

    Jim Rojas wrote:

    > Elevator recall hookup is best left handled by the servicing elevator
    > company.


    +1

    --
    js

    Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum
     
    alarman, Nov 24, 2009
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  3. Jim Rojas

    Doug Guest

    "Tower Security" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Elevator control is not a concern as it's already in place i.e. the
    > customer has a keyswitch that presently disables the elevator. They
    > typically turn off this switch when they arm the alarm and leave for
    > the day, unfortunately there are instances when turning the switch off
    > is forgotten - thus the reason for their request. All the relay
    > output is going to do is exactly what the customer currently does with
    > the keyswitch.
    >
    > The assistance I was looking for is more along the lines of specifics
    > for a 15p. I thought there is a row of pins off the board that
    > includes PGM outputs? Is the 4204 really required? What programming
    > addresses need to be changed and to what?
    >
    > Thanks!
    > Reg
    >


    I'm not that familiar with Ademco either, you can drive a low current relay
    directly from the on board outputs, as to the max current available or the
    programming options, the manual will explain all that.

    I know you're not really looking for more comments on the implications of
    doing this automatically when the alarm is armed, but.....

    You can be reasonably sure that if they are now forgetting to disable the
    elevator with the keyswitch, they will in the future forget to check the
    elevator before arming the system which may or may not be an issue depending
    on what actions the elevator performs when the switch is operated. If the
    switch recalls the elevator and opens the door before disabling the elevator
    then it may be OK, but I'd still be hesitant to do it, if it simply shuts
    the elevator down then I personally wouldn't do it. I'd check with the
    elevator codes for your area before doing anything that affects the
    operation of an elevator.

    Doug
     
    Doug, Nov 24, 2009
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  4. Jim Rojas

    Jim Rojas Guest

    Tower Security wrote:
    >> ...you should be able to do it
    >> exactly the same way as adding an LED that is on when armed, just
    >> powering a relay to hold the circuit open instead of an LED.

    >
    > Precisely...which still means programming sections 79 and 80 correctly
    > and I'm hoping that someone has done this previously and can provide
    > some assistance...
    >
    > Doing this on a DSC is as simple as programming a 17 in section
    > 009...surely someone can translate this into Ademcobabble?!?...


    I don't even know if you can do it through the keypad on an Ademco Vista
    15P...I usually do it through the software. You select a relay and
    output and choose which zones trigger the output, and for whatever
    condition or reason. DSC is very simplistic. Ademco gets into more
    details and options when it comes to relay outputs.

    Jim Rojas
     
    Jim Rojas, Nov 24, 2009
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  5. Jim Rojas

    Jim Rojas Guest

    Robert L Bass wrote:
    > "Jim Rojas" wrote:
    >>
    >> Tower Security wrote:
    >>>> ...you should be able to do it
    >>>> exactly the same way as adding an LED that is on when armed, just
    >>>> powering a relay to hold the circuit open instead of an LED.
    >>>
    >>> Precisely...which still means programming sections 79 and 80 correctly
    >>> and I'm hoping that someone has done this previously and can provide
    >>> some assistance...
    >>>
    >>> Doing this on a DSC is as simple as programming a 17 in section
    >>> 009...surely someone can translate this into Ademcobabble?!?...

    >>
    >> I don't even know if you can do it through the keypad on an Ademco
    >> Vista 15P...I usually do it through the software. You select a relay
    >> and output and choose which zones trigger the output, and for whatever
    >> condition or reason. DSC is very simplistic. Ademco gets into more
    >> details and options when it comes to relay outputs.

    >
    > I hate programming Hoineywell panels, but here's the routine. I *think*
    > this is correct. :^)
    >
    > Enter program mode by powering down then back up
    > and pressing the *+# simultaneously within 50 seconds
    > of power up, or enter the Installer code:
    > (4112) + 8 + 0 + 0
    >
    > Screen displays:
    > "INSTALLER CODE 20"
    > Press *80
    >
    > Screen displays:
    > "Output Funct #" 01
    > Press 01*
    >
    > Screen displays:
    > "01 A E Trig
    > ?00 0 0 - ZL =00"
    > Press *
    >
    > Screen Displays:
    > "01 Activated By: Delete 0"
    > Press 2
    >
    > Screen will display:
    > "01 Enter Zone Type"
    > Press 21 = Arming-AWAY
    >
    > After this:
    > Press *
    > Press *
    >
    > Screen displays:
    > "Output action"
    > Press 2 = Close and Stay Closed
    >
    > Screen displays:
    > "Enter Output No."
    > Press 17 = Trigger 1
    > or
    > 18 = Trigger 2
    >
    > Screen displays summery:
    > "01 A E Trig
    > ?00 0 0 - ZL =00"
    > Press *
    >
    > Screen displays "Output Funct #"
    > Press 00 to quit
    >
    > Hope that helps.
    >



    Like I said...better off using the software. :)

    Jim Rojas
     
    Jim Rojas, Nov 24, 2009
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