newbie: how to connect a transformer?

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  1. arjan

    arjan Guest

    I have some transformers with many wires. How do I know which wire is
    which?

    Regards

    Arjan
     
    arjan, Oct 21, 2003
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  2. What colours, how many wires and where are they on the transformer?

    Chris

    "arjan" <> wrote in message
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    > I have some transformers with many wires. How do I know which wire is
    > which?
    >
    > Regards
    >
    > Arjan
     
    Laycock, Christopher, Oct 21, 2003
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  3. "Laycock, Christopher" (chris@*nospam*laycock5.fsnet.co.*United-Kingdom*) writes:
    > What colours, how many wires and where are they on the transformer?
    >
    > Chris
    >

    No, that shouldn't be a question mark at the end. Because all
    of that does often help to figure out the windings.

    The used to be a color code for transformers, though I'm not sure
    it was always consistent, and I am sort of doubtful it's being used
    nowadays, with transformers coming from all kinds of locations across
    the globe.

    But yes, the color code used to be fairly constant on the primary,
    which to some extent is what you need most.

    If the leads come out in more than one place, the one with only two
    leads is likely the primary (but I don't think I'd take this
    as absolute). This also doesn't help if the secondary has only two
    leads (or if the primary has a dual winding).

    Sometimes you can get information if you can see the wires on
    the actual transformer, something possible with open frame units.
    Likely, the primary has smaller wire than the secondary, but again
    that's not always the case.

    You can always determine sets of wires by using an ohmmeter to
    find pairs or sets. Again, with a pair of wires and a set of three
    wires, likely the pair is primary.

    Once you have the sets or pairs matched up, then maybe the color coding
    makes more sense. I have no idea where to find the color code in
    present material, but if you find a pair that does match the color code,
    that increases the chance that those are the primary.

    Old reference books, including the ARRL Handbook, would likely have
    the transformer color coding, and one might find such books at the library.

    If you have an idea of what the transformer is, ie voltage and even useage,
    that might help. A low voltage transformer will have fewer turns on
    the secondary than on the primary, so the primary should have a higher
    resistance on the ohmmeter than the secondary.

    Once the primary is determined, then one can hook it to the AC line
    and measure voltages on the other sets of wires. The potential danger
    in this is that those voltages may turn out to be quite high, depending
    on the transformer, or if you've made a mistake on the primary.

    You could lessen the danger by taking a known low voltage transformer,
    and power that from the AC line, and use that to feed the alleged primary
    of the uknown transformer. Then the other widings will produce accordingly
    lower voltates.

    Michael

    > "arjan" <> wrote in message
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    >> I have some transformers with many wires. How do I know which wire is
    >> which?
    >>
    >> Regards
    >>
    >> Arjan

    >
    >
     
    Michael Black, Oct 21, 2003
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  4. arjan

    Baphomet Guest

    "arjan" <> wrote in message
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    > I have some transformers with many wires. How do I know which wire is
    > which?
    >
    > Regards
    >
    > Arjan


    Let's assume for the moment that you have power transformers. I would start
    first by looking at the colors, assuming you can still see them. There
    should normally be two of each solid color and perhaps one of the same color
    with a twisted color stripe. Get these wire groupings together for later
    identification.

    Before I continue, let me say that there are no hard and fast rules here but
    the transformer primary is normally black. The primary winding may have
    several taps for to compensate for different line voltages. These colors are
    usually darkish and muted. The 6.3.volt secondary filament windings are
    usually green, the 5.0 volt windings yellow, and the B+ windings reddish
    orange.

    To check yourself, take resistance measurements of the windings with an
    ohmmeter if you have one available. The resistance is roughly proportional
    to the number of turns (assuming that the guage of the wires is similar.
    Filament windings will have a very low resistance, primary power windings
    and intermediate resistance, and B+ windings the highest resistance.

    Once you think you have the wire combinations nailed down, you can apply a
    primary line voltage, preferably through an autoformer if you have one. The
    advantage of an autoformer is you can bring up the voltage slowly in case
    there are any oops's lurking in the wings. You can double check your
    findings by measuring the voltages of the other windings. Be careful,
    secondary B+ windings can produce many hundreds of volts. If you don't have
    an autoformer, you will just have to apply the primary voltage and hope for
    the best. Be prepared for some smoke if you miscalculated.

    If the transformers are audio, you can pretty much follow the same procedure
    except for applying an a.c. line voltage. Preferably, you will have an audio
    generator on hand but if not, you might try applying a filament voltage from
    a power transformer as your a.c. signal source.
    The colors will all be different however.

    Hopefully, this will get you in the ballpark but please be prepared to make
    a few mistakes.
     
    Baphomet, Oct 21, 2003
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  5. arjan

    Rich Grise Guest

    One nitpick - I'd recommend not connecting full line voltage to
    any winding until you've determined which is which. Skip right to
    where Baphomet says to use a low-voltage transformer to supply
    6V or so to practically any of the windings - then the voltages
    at the other windings will give you the turns ratio.

    THEN, if you've determined that it's a power transformer, it's
    probably safe to apply line voltage to the primary, if you're
    reasonably sure which the primary is supposed to be.

    Use a fuse! Personally, I'd use about a 1/4 amp fuse. It should
    work if the transformer has no load, and it will protect everything
    if there's any error. (well, it'll protect almost everything from
    almost any error.) If/when you do put it into service, of course,
    size the fuse appropriately.

    If the transformer came from a 100 or 120 volt country, and
    your mains are 220, then don't connect it to the mains - it
    might last a few minutes, but it will certainly destroy the
    transformer sooner or later.

    If it's a fairly modern unit, it may have dual primaries so
    that it can be used on either mains voltage, using them in
    series for 220/240 and parallel for 100/110/120.

    And you can usually make a pretty fair guesstimate of its power
    capacity simply by its weight. There's some rule of thumb about
    volt-amps per cross-sectional area of core, but it's been many
    years, so I don't remember the numbers. If the transformer is
    the size of a ping-pong ball, I wouldn't want to try to get
    more than about 5 or 10 VA out of it. If it's the size of a
    boat anchor, it's probably a power transformer, modulation
    transformer, pulse transformer for a radar set, or output
    transformer for a subwooferhead's power amp. ;-)

    Good Luck!
    Rich

    Baphomet wrote:

    > "arjan" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >
    >>I have some transformers with many wires. How do I know which wire is
    >>which?
    >>
    >>Regards
    >>
    >>Arjan

    >
    >
    > Let's assume for the moment that you have power transformers. I would start
    > first by looking at the colors, assuming you can still see them. There
    > should normally be two of each solid color and perhaps one of the same color
    > with a twisted color stripe. Get these wire groupings together for later
    > identification.
    >
    > Before I continue, let me say that there are no hard and fast rules here but
    > the transformer primary is normally black. The primary winding may have
    > several taps for to compensate for different line voltages. These colors are
    > usually darkish and muted. The 6.3.volt secondary filament windings are
    > usually green, the 5.0 volt windings yellow, and the B+ windings reddish
    > orange.
    >
    > To check yourself, take resistance measurements of the windings with an
    > ohmmeter if you have one available. The resistance is roughly proportional
    > to the number of turns (assuming that the guage of the wires is similar.
    > Filament windings will have a very low resistance, primary power windings
    > and intermediate resistance, and B+ windings the highest resistance.
    >
    > Once you think you have the wire combinations nailed down, you can apply a
    > primary line voltage, preferably through an autoformer if you have one. The
    > advantage of an autoformer is you can bring up the voltage slowly in case
    > there are any oops's lurking in the wings. You can double check your
    > findings by measuring the voltages of the other windings. Be careful,
    > secondary B+ windings can produce many hundreds of volts. If you don't have
    > an autoformer, you will just have to apply the primary voltage and hope for
    > the best. Be prepared for some smoke if you miscalculated.
    >
    > If the transformers are audio, you can pretty much follow the same procedure
    > except for applying an a.c. line voltage. Preferably, you will have an audio
    > generator on hand but if not, you might try applying a filament voltage from
    > a power transformer as your a.c. signal source.
    > The colors will all be different however.
    >
    > Hopefully, this will get you in the ballpark but please be prepared to make
    > a few mistakes.
    >
    >
    >
     
    Rich Grise, Oct 23, 2003
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