Installing alarm system on a 'prewired' house

Discussion in 'Security Alarms' started by Zen, Jan 30, 2006.

  1. Zen

    Zen Guest

    Hello,

    My house had the alarm 'prewire' option and most windows and doors have
    a magnetic contact in them. Also, in one of the closets near the
    entrance, there is a bunch of wires and 2 power outlets.

    In the closet, there are 7 white wires, 7 slight thicker gray wires and
    1 green and 1 blue wire. I'm trying to figure out what these wires are.
    My guess is that there are 7 white and 7 gray wires because the house
    has 7 hardwired zones and the green wire is for the keypad and blue
    wire is phone line. Can anyone tell me what these wires are? Also, I
    couldn't find wires for a keypad anywhere else in the house. Does that
    mean I'll have to install the keypad inside the closet next to the
    panel or should I extend the cable for the keypad so it can be
    installed elsewhere?

    I'm considering buying a Ademco Vista-20PS with the 6270 graphic keypad
    and installing it myself, hopefully it won't be that hard.

    Any information would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks.
    Zen, Jan 30, 2006
    #1
  2. Zen

    Frank Olson Guest

    Zen wrote:
    > Hello,
    >
    > My house had the alarm 'prewire' option and most windows and doors have
    > a magnetic contact in them. Also, in one of the closets near the
    > entrance, there is a bunch of wires and 2 power outlets.
    >
    > In the closet, there are 7 white wires, 7 slight thicker gray wires and
    > 1 green and 1 blue wire. I'm trying to figure out what these wires are.
    > My guess is that there are 7 white and 7 gray wires because the house
    > has 7 hardwired zones and the green wire is for the keypad and blue
    > wire is phone line. Can anyone tell me what these wires are? Also, I
    > couldn't find wires for a keypad anywhere else in the house. Does that
    > mean I'll have to install the keypad inside the closet next to the
    > panel or should I extend the cable for the keypad so it can be
    > installed elsewhere?
    >
    > I'm considering buying a Ademco Vista-20PS with the 6270 graphic keypad
    > and installing it myself, hopefully it won't be that hard.
    >
    > Any information would be greatly appreciated.
    >
    > Thanks.
    >



    Do you know the name of the installing company responsible for the
    pre-wire? Wire jacket colors don't tell you much. The easiest way to
    determine what the wires are are to "tone them out", but since it's
    likely you don't have a tone set, you're going to have to rely on the
    old multi-meter (you'll need access to *both* ends of the wire though).

    You should have a keypad wire somewhere (it's probably four or six
    conductor and more than likely located above a light switch). If it's
    actually buried (and it sounds like it is), the only way to find it will
    be with the aforementioned tone set. If you don't know the name of the
    installing company, call around and find a friendly local alarmco. Pay
    the guy two hours to label all the wires. It'll be well worth the $100
    or so dollars it's going to cost you. Chances are he'll give you a deal
    on the complete system too, but that's jumping the gun so to speak... :)
    Frank Olson, Jan 30, 2006
    #2
  3. Zen

    Frank Olson Guest

    Zen wrote:
    > Hello,
    >
    > My house had the alarm 'prewire' option and most windows and doors have
    > a magnetic contact in them. Also, in one of the closets near the
    > entrance, there is a bunch of wires and 2 power outlets.
    >
    > In the closet, there are 7 white wires, 7 slight thicker gray wires and
    > 1 green and 1 blue wire. I'm trying to figure out what these wires are.
    > My guess is that there are 7 white and 7 gray wires because the house
    > has 7 hardwired zones and the green wire is for the keypad and blue
    > wire is phone line. Can anyone tell me what these wires are? Also, I
    > couldn't find wires for a keypad anywhere else in the house. Does that
    > mean I'll have to install the keypad inside the closet next to the
    > panel or should I extend the cable for the keypad so it can be
    > installed elsewhere?
    >
    > I'm considering buying a Ademco Vista-20PS with the 6270 graphic keypad
    > and installing it myself, hopefully it won't be that hard.
    >
    > Any information would be greatly appreciated.
    >
    > Thanks.
    >



    One more thing... If the contacts are actually installed in the windows
    and door frames, are there magnets installed in the windows/doors
    themselves?? You won't need to "dig" out the wires to find which ones
    go to the contacts. All you need is a magnet and your multi-meter to
    determine which one's which. Hold the magnet to the contact and your
    ohm-meter should drop to close to "zero". Take the magnet away and
    you'll read infinity (no continuity). If you need more help feel free
    to email me.
    Frank Olson, Jan 30, 2006
    #3
  4. Zen

    Crash Gordon Guest

    Before you buy an alarm, buy a radio tracer then you can find all the wires.

    Be aware that some prewire companies install contact plugs...they may look
    like contacts but aren't.



    "Zen" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    | Hello,
    |
    | My house had the alarm 'prewire' option and most windows and doors have
    | a magnetic contact in them. Also, in one of the closets near the
    | entrance, there is a bunch of wires and 2 power outlets.
    |
    | In the closet, there are 7 white wires, 7 slight thicker gray wires and
    | 1 green and 1 blue wire. I'm trying to figure out what these wires are.
    | My guess is that there are 7 white and 7 gray wires because the house
    | has 7 hardwired zones and the green wire is for the keypad and blue
    | wire is phone line. Can anyone tell me what these wires are? Also, I
    | couldn't find wires for a keypad anywhere else in the house. Does that
    | mean I'll have to install the keypad inside the closet next to the
    | panel or should I extend the cable for the keypad so it can be
    | installed elsewhere?
    |
    | I'm considering buying a Ademco Vista-20PS with the 6270 graphic keypad
    | and installing it myself, hopefully it won't be that hard.
    |
    | Any information would be greatly appreciated.
    |
    | Thanks.
    |
    |
    Crash Gordon, Jan 30, 2006
    #4
  5. Zen

    mikey Guest

    I'll bet I'm the only one here that will admit to actually sitting a magnet
    on one of those things and looking for the short.

    "Crash Gordon" <> wrote in message
    news:u3rDf.742$...
    > Before you buy an alarm, buy a radio tracer then you can find all the

    wires.
    >
    > Be aware that some prewire companies install contact plugs...they may look
    > like contacts but aren't.
    >
    >
    >
    > "Zen" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > | Hello,
    > |
    > | My house had the alarm 'prewire' option and most windows and doors have
    > | a magnetic contact in them. Also, in one of the closets near the
    > | entrance, there is a bunch of wires and 2 power outlets.
    > |
    > | In the closet, there are 7 white wires, 7 slight thicker gray wires and
    > | 1 green and 1 blue wire. I'm trying to figure out what these wires are.
    > | My guess is that there are 7 white and 7 gray wires because the house
    > | has 7 hardwired zones and the green wire is for the keypad and blue
    > | wire is phone line. Can anyone tell me what these wires are? Also, I
    > | couldn't find wires for a keypad anywhere else in the house. Does that
    > | mean I'll have to install the keypad inside the closet next to the
    > | panel or should I extend the cable for the keypad so it can be
    > | installed elsewhere?
    > |
    > | I'm considering buying a Ademco Vista-20PS with the 6270 graphic keypad
    > | and installing it myself, hopefully it won't be that hard.
    > |
    > | Any information would be greatly appreciated.
    > |
    > | Thanks.
    > |
    > |
    >
    >
    mikey, Jan 31, 2006
    #5
  6. Zen

    Crash Gordon Guest

    Yah probably as bad as one of my salesguys going out to a huge house and
    bidding the job based on the fact that all doors/windows had contacts. NOT !
    They were all plugs. I made HIM install all the contacts while my installers
    did the rest of the job. You shoulda heard the whining. But...he never did
    that again!


    "mikey" <> wrote in message
    news:drmc4l$n6n$...
    | I'll bet I'm the only one here that will admit to actually sitting a
    magnet
    | on one of those things and looking for the short.
    |
    | "Crash Gordon" <> wrote in message
    | news:u3rDf.742$...
    | > Before you buy an alarm, buy a radio tracer then you can find all the
    | wires.
    | >
    | > Be aware that some prewire companies install contact plugs...they may
    look
    | > like contacts but aren't.
    | >
    | >
    | >
    | > "Zen" <> wrote in message
    | > news:...
    | > | Hello,
    | > |
    | > | My house had the alarm 'prewire' option and most windows and doors
    have
    | > | a magnetic contact in them. Also, in one of the closets near the
    | > | entrance, there is a bunch of wires and 2 power outlets.
    | > |
    | > | In the closet, there are 7 white wires, 7 slight thicker gray wires
    and
    | > | 1 green and 1 blue wire. I'm trying to figure out what these wires
    are.
    | > | My guess is that there are 7 white and 7 gray wires because the house
    | > | has 7 hardwired zones and the green wire is for the keypad and blue
    | > | wire is phone line. Can anyone tell me what these wires are? Also, I
    | > | couldn't find wires for a keypad anywhere else in the house. Does that
    | > | mean I'll have to install the keypad inside the closet next to the
    | > | panel or should I extend the cable for the keypad so it can be
    | > | installed elsewhere?
    | > |
    | > | I'm considering buying a Ademco Vista-20PS with the 6270 graphic
    keypad
    | > | and installing it myself, hopefully it won't be that hard.
    | > |
    | > | Any information would be greatly appreciated.
    | > |
    | > | Thanks.
    | > |
    | > |
    | >
    | >
    |
    |
    Crash Gordon, Jan 31, 2006
    #6
  7. > I'll bet I'm the only one here that will admit to
    > actually sitting a magnet on one of those things
    > and looking for the short.


    Make that two of us. :^)

    --

    Regards,
    Robert L Bass

    Bass Burglar Alarms
    The Online DIY Store
    http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
    Robert L Bass, Jan 31, 2006
    #7
  8. > Yah probably as bad as one of my salesguys going out to a huge house and
    > bidding the job based on the fact that all doors/windows had contacts. NOT !


    One of my favorite sales calls was a couple in a rural town in
    Connecticut. They'd scheduled an "authorized dealer" sales rep
    to make his presentation several hours before me. He showed up a
    little late -- understandable sine the place was somewhat out in
    the boondocks. He was still there when I arrived.

    I got there a few minutes early and saw his car in the driveway
    so I waited a few minutes and then just walked up and rang the
    bell. The other guy was miffed that I was interrupting his
    pitch... er, security survey. Oh, well.

    Anyway, the fun part came a few minutes into my presentation. As
    I walked around the house I explained how we would protect each
    window and door, where we'd place motion, glass breakage and
    smoke detectors, etc. The homeowner asked if I was going to use
    wireless. I said no, we prefer to hard-wire our systems. He
    said that, "ADT says they can't wire this king of house because
    it's a raised ranch" with a finished basement.

    I had already wired plenty of similar homes so I just said,
    "Maybe they can't but I've done it plenty of times. It's really
    not a problem." Needless to say, I got the job. Some of these
    competing salesman can be real blessing... for their competitors.
    :^)

    --

    Regards,
    Robert L Bass

    Bass Burglar Alarms
    The Online DIY Store
    http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
    Robert L Bass, Jan 31, 2006
    #8
  9. Zen

    Crash Gordon Guest

    I had a very similar sales call once...XXX guy said they'd use a wireless
    system. I said why spend all that money?..the house is prewired! (I had
    prewired it)...the XXX guy never even looked! No brainer that I got the job.


    "Robert L Bass" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    |> Yah probably as bad as one of my salesguys going out to a huge house and
    | > bidding the job based on the fact that all doors/windows had contacts.
    NOT !
    |
    | One of my favorite sales calls was a couple in a rural town in
    | Connecticut. They'd scheduled an "authorized dealer" sales rep
    | to make his presentation several hours before me. He showed up a
    | little late -- understandable sine the place was somewhat out in
    | the boondocks. He was still there when I arrived.
    |
    | I got there a few minutes early and saw his car in the driveway
    | so I waited a few minutes and then just walked up and rang the
    | bell. The other guy was miffed that I was interrupting his
    | pitch... er, security survey. Oh, well.
    |
    | Anyway, the fun part came a few minutes into my presentation. As
    | I walked around the house I explained how we would protect each
    | window and door, where we'd place motion, glass breakage and
    | smoke detectors, etc. The homeowner asked if I was going to use
    | wireless. I said no, we prefer to hard-wire our systems. He
    | said that, "ADT says they can't wire this king of house because
    | it's a raised ranch" with a finished basement.
    |
    | I had already wired plenty of similar homes so I just said,
    | "Maybe they can't but I've done it plenty of times. It's really
    | not a problem." Needless to say, I got the job. Some of these
    | competing salesman can be real blessing... for their competitors.
    | :^)
    |
    | --
    |
    | Regards,
    | Robert L Bass
    |
    | Bass Burglar Alarms
    | The Online DIY Store
    | http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
    Crash Gordon, Jan 31, 2006
    #9
  10. > I had a very similar sales call once...XXX guy said they'd
    > use a wireless system. I said why spend all that money?..
    > the house is prewired! (I had prewired it)...the XXX guy
    > never even looked! No brainer that I got the job.


    You really have to love those guys. :^)

    --

    Regards,
    Robert L Bass

    Bass Burglar Alarms
    The Online DIY Store
    http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
    Robert L Bass, Jan 31, 2006
    #10
  11. Zen

    Crash Gordon Guest

    For awhile there they were doing that (selling wireless) even when they knew
    the house was prewired. Dunno why, maybe they figured most prewires are crap
    (pot calling the kettle black).

    I did a Pro 1 take over Saturday. Prewire was by someone else ( cheap
    builder job) but there were spare wires in the box. I couldn't figure out
    why they had sold the owner 1 x 5881L reciever and 1 x 5890 pir...when there
    was an easily located wire for a wired motion detector 6 inches to the left
    of where they put the 5890! DUH.

    Oh yeah they also had a non-opening window in the garage wired but beanied
    off in the wall...but in the loop, and described on the keypad as being in
    the loop.



    "Robert L Bass" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    |> I had a very similar sales call once...XXX guy said they'd
    | > use a wireless system. I said why spend all that money?..
    | > the house is prewired! (I had prewired it)...the XXX guy
    | > never even looked! No brainer that I got the job.
    |
    | You really have to love those guys. :^)
    |
    | --
    |
    | Regards,
    | Robert L Bass
    |
    | Bass Burglar Alarms
    | The Online DIY Store
    | http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
    |
    Crash Gordon, Jan 31, 2006
    #11
  12. > For awhile there they were doing that (selling wireless)
    > even when they knew the house was prewired.


    That reminded me of my all-time favorite nutty customer story.
    We pre-wired a house for a wealthy doctor and his family during
    construction and came back when the house was finished to install
    the hardware. It was always our policy to pull extra cables from
    the garage and the attic to the alarm control panel location
    which was usually in the basement.

    A few months after we finished installing the system I got a call
    from the lady of the house. "My alarm is 'broken'. Send someone
    over here at once!"

    I explained that my tech were already out on calls. Could she
    wait about an hour or so for the next available person? No, she
    was in a hurry. "Send someone right now!" :^)

    I asked what was wrong. She said the little green light is
    "broken". (For the uninitiated, that's the system ready light
    which goes out if something is open. She had a Moose Z1100e with
    Z1100R keypads. I asked her to push "2" for zone status, quickly
    determined that one of the living room windows was open and told
    her so. She insisted the windows were shut and refused to even
    check. "I want someone here NOW!!"

    I grabbed my tool belt, hopped in my van and drove several miles
    to her home on the other side of town. Before ringing the
    doorbell, I walked over to the side of the front porch in front
    of the living room. Sure enough, a window was open about 2
    inches.

    I went inside, showed her again how to check for an open zone and
    that the problem appeared to be a living room window. Then I
    walked with her to the living room, drew one curtain aside and
    pointed out the open window.

    She said, "Well that should not prevent me from setting the
    system. Can you fix it?"

    I said, "Sure," closed and locked the window and then walked her
    back to the keypad. She said something like, "I've never seen
    such a stupid system."

    I asked for a place to sit for a moment, opened my metal flip
    case and wrote her a bill for the service visit. She said it was
    under warranty and she was not paying for anything."

    I said, "OK" and started to head for the door, making a mental
    note to cancel her contract ass soon as the term was up.

    Now comes the best part. Before I could get out the door, she
    said that she was very disappointed that we hadn't finished the
    installation. Knowing full well we had, I asked what she meant.
    She had me go to the control panel in the basement. There she
    pointed out three or four *extra* cables we had pulled which were
    not connected to anything.

    I explained that we ran extra cables at no cost to her in order
    to facilitate future upgrades should the need arise. She was
    incredulous. "*Nobody EVER* does more work than they're paid
    for. I want you to finish this job!"

    I said I'd talk to the technician (just wanting to leave at that
    point). Her husband called that night and was very upset about
    the same nonsense. When their year was up they received a
    cancellation notice.

    I figured that was the last we'd see of them. Wrong! A few
    years later we bought out another small firm and guess whose
    system was among the contracts.

    I think if that woman was a coyote caught in a trap she'd chew
    three legs off and still be stuck. :^)

    --

    Regards,
    Robert L Bass

    Bass Burglar Alarms
    The Online DIY Store
    http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
    Robert L Bass, Jan 31, 2006
    #12
  13. Zen

    Crash Gordon Guest

    I've had a couple like that too. Easiest way is to just connect those spare
    wires to anything.
    I can't tellya how many windows I've gone out and closed because they're too
    lazy to go check. Usually they pay, if they don't the next service call just
    costs a bit more.


    "Robert L Bass" <> wrote in message
    news:eek:...
    |> For awhile there they were doing that (selling wireless)
    | > even when they knew the house was prewired.
    |
    | That reminded me of my all-time favorite nutty customer story.
    | We pre-wired a house for a wealthy doctor and his family during
    | construction and came back when the house was finished to install
    | the hardware. It was always our policy to pull extra cables from
    | the garage and the attic to the alarm control panel location
    | which was usually in the basement.
    |
    | A few months after we finished installing the system I got a call
    | from the lady of the house. "My alarm is 'broken'. Send someone
    | over here at once!"
    |
    | I explained that my tech were already out on calls. Could she
    | wait about an hour or so for the next available person? No, she
    | was in a hurry. "Send someone right now!" :^)
    |
    | I asked what was wrong. She said the little green light is
    | "broken". (For the uninitiated, that's the system ready light
    | which goes out if something is open. She had a Moose Z1100e with
    | Z1100R keypads. I asked her to push "2" for zone status, quickly
    | determined that one of the living room windows was open and told
    | her so. She insisted the windows were shut and refused to even
    | check. "I want someone here NOW!!"
    |
    | I grabbed my tool belt, hopped in my van and drove several miles
    | to her home on the other side of town. Before ringing the
    | doorbell, I walked over to the side of the front porch in front
    | of the living room. Sure enough, a window was open about 2
    | inches.
    |
    | I went inside, showed her again how to check for an open zone and
    | that the problem appeared to be a living room window. Then I
    | walked with her to the living room, drew one curtain aside and
    | pointed out the open window.
    |
    | She said, "Well that should not prevent me from setting the
    | system. Can you fix it?"
    |
    | I said, "Sure," closed and locked the window and then walked her
    | back to the keypad. She said something like, "I've never seen
    | such a stupid system."
    |
    | I asked for a place to sit for a moment, opened my metal flip
    | case and wrote her a bill for the service visit. She said it was
    | under warranty and she was not paying for anything."
    |
    | I said, "OK" and started to head for the door, making a mental
    | note to cancel her contract ass soon as the term was up.
    |
    | Now comes the best part. Before I could get out the door, she
    | said that she was very disappointed that we hadn't finished the
    | installation. Knowing full well we had, I asked what she meant.
    | She had me go to the control panel in the basement. There she
    | pointed out three or four *extra* cables we had pulled which were
    | not connected to anything.
    |
    | I explained that we ran extra cables at no cost to her in order
    | to facilitate future upgrades should the need arise. She was
    | incredulous. "*Nobody EVER* does more work than they're paid
    | for. I want you to finish this job!"
    |
    | I said I'd talk to the technician (just wanting to leave at that
    | point). Her husband called that night and was very upset about
    | the same nonsense. When their year was up they received a
    | cancellation notice.
    |
    | I figured that was the last we'd see of them. Wrong! A few
    | years later we bought out another small firm and guess whose
    | system was among the contracts.
    |
    | I think if that woman was a coyote caught in a trap she'd chew
    | three legs off and still be stuck. :^)
    |
    | --
    |
    | Regards,
    | Robert L Bass
    |
    | Bass Burglar Alarms
    | The Online DIY Store
    | http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
    |
    Crash Gordon, Jan 31, 2006
    #13
  14. Zen

    Bob Worthy Guest

    "Robert L Bass" wrote:

    > One of my favorite sales calls was a couple in a rural town in
    > Connecticut. They'd scheduled an "authorized dealer" sales rep
    > to make his presentation several hours before me.


    I didn't realize ADT had the "authorized dealer" program way back when you
    were installing in Conn.
    Bob Worthy, Feb 1, 2006
    #14
  15. Zen

    Bob Worthy Guest

    "Robert L Bass" Wrote:

    > That reminded me of my all-time favorite nutty customer story.
    > We pre-wired a house for a wealthy doctor and his family during
    > construction and came back when the house was finished to install
    > the hardware. It was always our policy to pull extra cables from
    > the garage and the attic to the alarm control panel location
    > which was usually in the basement.
    >
    > A few months after we finished installing the system I got a call
    > from the lady of the house. "My alarm is 'broken'. Send someone
    > over here at once!"
    >
    > I explained that my tech were already out on calls. Could she
    > wait about an hour or so for the next available person? No, she
    > was in a hurry. "Send someone right now!" :^)
    >
    > I asked what was wrong. She said the little green light is
    > "broken". (For the uninitiated, that's the system ready light
    > which goes out if something is open. She had a Moose Z1100e with
    > Z1100R keypads. I asked her to push "2" for zone status, quickly
    > determined that one of the living room windows was open and told
    > her so. She insisted the windows were shut and refused to even
    > check. "I want someone here NOW!!"
    >
    > I grabbed my tool belt, hopped in my van and drove several miles
    > to her home on the other side of town. Before ringing the
    > doorbell, I walked over to the side of the front porch in front
    > of the living room. Sure enough, a window was open about 2
    > inches.
    >
    > I went inside, showed her again how to check for an open zone and
    > that the problem appeared to be a living room window. Then I
    > walked with her to the living room, drew one curtain aside and
    > pointed out the open window.
    >
    > She said, "Well that should not prevent me from setting the
    > system. Can you fix it?"
    >
    > I said, "Sure," closed and locked the window and then walked her
    > back to the keypad. She said something like, "I've never seen
    > such a stupid system."
    >
    > I asked for a place to sit for a moment, opened my metal flip
    > case and wrote her a bill for the service visit. She said it was
    > under warranty and she was not paying for anything."
    >
    > I said, "OK" and started to head for the door, making a mental
    > note to cancel her contract ass soon as the term was up.
    >
    > Now comes the best part. Before I could get out the door, she
    > said that she was very disappointed that we hadn't finished the
    > installation. Knowing full well we had, I asked what she meant.
    > She had me go to the control panel in the basement. There she
    > pointed out three or four *extra* cables we had pulled which were
    > not connected to anything.
    >
    > I explained that we ran extra cables at no cost to her in order
    > to facilitate future upgrades should the need arise. She was
    > incredulous. "*Nobody EVER* does more work than they're paid
    > for. I want you to finish this job!"
    >
    > I said I'd talk to the technician (just wanting to leave at that
    > point). Her husband called that night and was very upset about
    > the same nonsense. When their year was up they received a
    > cancellation notice.
    >
    > I figured that was the last we'd see of them. Wrong! A few
    > years later we bought out another small firm and guess whose
    > system was among the contracts.


    Nice **story** Robert, but it somehow contadicts all of your recent reasons
    for bashing professional alarm companies, professional installation methods,
    service response, monitoring contracts, and service fees charged by the
    alarm company and the fact that there is value of contacts through
    acquisitions. It sounds like you operated the same. Or is your story and
    your opinions just like any other bASS when they are flip flopping on the
    deck when they get caught.
    Bob Worthy, Feb 1, 2006
    #15
  16. Zen

    JoeRaisin Guest

    I did a takeover from ADT where they had installed 6816's (transmitters
    on the slab and magnet on the jamb)on doors with wired contacts in them
    and even put wireless smokes on hte back boxes with the fire wire coiled
    up under it.


    Crash Gordon wrote:
    > For awhile there they were doing that (selling wireless) even when they knew
    > the house was prewired. Dunno why, maybe they figured most prewires are crap
    > (pot calling the kettle black).
    >
    > I did a Pro 1 take over Saturday. Prewire was by someone else ( cheap
    > builder job) but there were spare wires in the box. I couldn't figure out
    > why they had sold the owner 1 x 5881L reciever and 1 x 5890 pir...when there
    > was an easily located wire for a wired motion detector 6 inches to the left
    > of where they put the 5890! DUH.
    >
    > Oh yeah they also had a non-opening window in the garage wired but beanied
    > off in the wall...but in the loop, and described on the keypad as being in
    > the loop.
    >
    >
    >
    > "Robert L Bass" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > |> I had a very similar sales call once...XXX guy said they'd
    > | > use a wireless system. I said why spend all that money?..
    > | > the house is prewired! (I had prewired it)...the XXX guy
    > | > never even looked! No brainer that I got the job.
    > |
    > | You really have to love those guys. :^)
    > |
    > | --
    > |
    > | Regards,
    > | Robert L Bass
    > |
    > | Bass Burglar Alarms
    > | The Online DIY Store
    > | http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
    > |
    >
    >
    JoeRaisin, Feb 1, 2006
    #16
  17. Zen

    mikey Guest

    "Bob Worthy" <> wrote in message
    news:Ix9Ef.13747$...
    >
    > "Robert L Bass" Wrote:
    >
    > > That reminded me of my all-time favorite nutty customer story.


    >
    > Nice **story** Robert, but it somehow contadicts all of your recent

    reasons
    > for bashing professional alarm companies, professional installation

    methods,
    > service response, monitoring contracts, and service fees charged by the
    > alarm company and the fact that there is value of contacts through
    > acquisitions. It sounds like you operated the same. Or is your story and
    > your opinions just like any other bASS when they are flip flopping on the
    > deck when they get caught.
    >


    Fishermen have big boots too. Ask him the one about him responding
    as fast as the fire dept did.
    mikey, Feb 2, 2006
    #17
  18. Zen

    Jim Guest

    Bob Worthy wrote:
    >
    > Nice **story** Robert, but it somehow contadicts all of your recent reasons
    > for bashing professional alarm companies, professional installation methods,
    > service response, monitoring contracts, and service fees charged by the
    > alarm company and the fact that there is value of contacts through
    > acquisitions. It sounds like you operated the same. Or is your story and
    > your opinions just like any other bASS when they are flip flopping on the
    > deck when they get caught.


    You caught that too ..... huh?

    These are the things that you just can't explain to people who come
    here, get taken in by his slimey sweet talk and think that he's really
    on the up and up.

    I wonder if he's got Snake Oil and a bridge or two, on his web site.
    Jim, Feb 2, 2006
    #18
  19. Zen

    Crash Gordon Guest

    I think that happens when a salesguy doesn't have a freekin clue and wants
    to boost his commish.


    "JoeRaisin" <> wrote in message
    news:ahbEf.50$...
    |I did a takeover from ADT where they had installed 6816's (transmitters
    | on the slab and magnet on the jamb)on doors with wired contacts in them
    | and even put wireless smokes on hte back boxes with the fire wire coiled
    | up under it.
    |
    |
    | Crash Gordon wrote:
    | > For awhile there they were doing that (selling wireless) even when they
    knew
    | > the house was prewired. Dunno why, maybe they figured most prewires are
    crap
    | > (pot calling the kettle black).
    | >
    | > I did a Pro 1 take over Saturday. Prewire was by someone else ( cheap
    | > builder job) but there were spare wires in the box. I couldn't figure
    out
    | > why they had sold the owner 1 x 5881L reciever and 1 x 5890 pir...when
    there
    | > was an easily located wire for a wired motion detector 6 inches to the
    left
    | > of where they put the 5890! DUH.
    | >
    | > Oh yeah they also had a non-opening window in the garage wired but
    beanied
    | > off in the wall...but in the loop, and described on the keypad as being
    in
    | > the loop.
    | >
    | >
    | >
    | > "Robert L Bass" <> wrote in message
    | > news:...
    | > |> I had a very similar sales call once...XXX guy said they'd
    | > | > use a wireless system. I said why spend all that money?..
    | > | > the house is prewired! (I had prewired it)...the XXX guy
    | > | > never even looked! No brainer that I got the job.
    | > |
    | > | You really have to love those guys. :^)
    | > |
    | > | --
    | > |
    | > | Regards,
    | > | Robert L Bass
    | > |
    | > | Bass Burglar Alarms
    | > | The Online DIY Store
    | > | http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
    | > |
    | >
    | >
    |
    Crash Gordon, Feb 2, 2006
    #19

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