How to measure Pulse Current?

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  1. GSiu

    GSiu Guest

    Is there any suggestion how to measure Pulse current up to 10KA and
    pulse wide below 10mA?
    GSiu, Jul 9, 2006
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    Jim Yanik Guest

    "GSiu" <> wrote in
    news::

    > Is there any suggestion how to measure Pulse current up to 10KA and
    > pulse wide below 10mA?
    >
    >


    below 10ma,a clip-on P6021,P6022(AC)current probe,or a TM500/AM503/A6302
    system,DC-50 Mhz BW. The AM503/A6303 probe measures high currents (IIRC,up
    to 100's of A),but not 10,000A.

    you may need some sort of current transformer for those really high
    currents.

    --
    Jim Yanik
    jyanik
    at
    kua.net
    Jim Yanik, Jul 9, 2006
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    Robert Baer Guest

    Jim Yanik wrote:
    > "GSiu" <> wrote in
    > news::
    >
    >
    >>Is there any suggestion how to measure Pulse current up to 10KA and
    >>pulse wide below 10mA?
    >>
    >>

    >
    >
    > below 10ma,a clip-on P6021,P6022(AC)current probe,or a TM500/AM503/A6302
    > system,DC-50 Mhz BW. The AM503/A6303 probe measures high currents (IIRC,up
    > to 100's of A),but not 10,000A.
    >
    > you may need some sort of current transformer for those really high
    > currents.
    >

    *All* of those probes are current transformers...
    At 10,000 amps one would have a problem in preventing saturation; the
    secondary winding resistance probably cause enough IR drop that the
    current would be low enough so that the current (amps) times turns (=
    ampere-turns) would reflect back to the primary (of one turn) so that
    the net core flux would be excessive.
    Now, it might be done with a *large* core and (relatively) large
    diameter wire (to reduce that IR drop)...
    So, start with a turns ratio of (say) 10,000 to 1, meaning the
    secondary has 10,000 turns.
    For insignificant IR drop, the secondary should be no smaller than #20.
    From that, figure out the cross-sectional area taken for 10,000
    wires, thenmathematically "spread" it out over a torus (if that is the
    shape of the core) or rectangle (if "C" or "E" type core).
    That should give you a rough idea as to the minimum core size (will
    need to be larger due to insulation, etc).
    Robert Baer, Jul 9, 2006
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  4. GSiu

    Jim Yanik Guest

    Robert Baer <> wrote in
    news:4r3sg.2197$:

    > Jim Yanik wrote:
    >> "GSiu" <> wrote in
    >> news::
    >>
    >>
    >>>Is there any suggestion how to measure Pulse current up to 10KA and
    >>>pulse wide below 10mA?
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >> below 10ma,a clip-on P6021,P6022(AC)current probe,or a
    >> TM500/AM503/A6302 system,DC-50 Mhz BW. The AM503/A6303 probe measures
    >> high currents (IIRC,up to 100's of A),but not 10,000A.
    >>
    >> you may need some sort of current transformer for those really high
    >> currents.
    >>

    > *All* of those probes are current transformers...


    The AM503 probes are Hall-effect devices -with- a current transformer for
    hi-freq response.
    And they still are PROBES(based on transformers,yes.)
    ,not a stand-alone transformer.

    They also can be slipped over a conductor and not have to be hard-wired
    into the circuit.

    --
    Jim Yanik
    jyanik
    at
    kua.net
    Jim Yanik, Jul 9, 2006
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    Jamie Guest

    GSiu wrote:

    > Is there any suggestion how to measure Pulse current up to 10KA and
    > pulse wide below 10mA?
    >

    CT..
    Current Transformer.
    you simply pass the load through
    it., the terminals give you a ratio..
    something like a 500:1 comes to mind.
    also there is the concern of the pulse
    width time your looking for ?
    also you have Tranducers that can convert
    to 4..20, voltage or digitial output etc..


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    Real Programmers Do things like this.
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    Jamie, Jul 9, 2006
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  6. GSiu

    Robert Baer Guest

    Jim Yanik wrote:

    > Robert Baer <> wrote in
    > news:4r3sg.2197$:
    >
    >
    >>Jim Yanik wrote:
    >>
    >>>"GSiu" <> wrote in
    >>>news::
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>Is there any suggestion how to measure Pulse current up to 10KA and
    >>>>pulse wide below 10mA?
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>below 10ma,a clip-on P6021,P6022(AC)current probe,or a
    >>>TM500/AM503/A6302 system,DC-50 Mhz BW. The AM503/A6303 probe measures
    >>>high currents (IIRC,up to 100's of A),but not 10,000A.
    >>>
    >>>you may need some sort of current transformer for those really high
    >>>currents.
    >>>

    >>
    >> *All* of those probes are current transformers...

    >
    >
    > The AM503 probes are Hall-effect devices -with- a current transformer for
    > hi-freq response.
    > And they still are PROBES(based on transformers,yes.)
    > ,not a stand-alone transformer.
    >
    > They also can be slipped over a conductor and not have to be hard-wired
    > into the circuit.
    >

    I believe this is the first time that "stand-alone" was mentioned...
    Robert Baer, Jul 10, 2006
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  7. In article <UYhsg.6490$>,
    Robert Baer <> wrote:

    > Jim Yanik wrote:
    >
    > > Robert Baer <> wrote in
    > > news:4r3sg.2197$:
    > >
    > >
    > >>Jim Yanik wrote:
    > >>
    > >>>"GSiu" <> wrote in
    > >>>news::
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>>Is there any suggestion how to measure Pulse current up to 10KA and
    > >>>>pulse wide below 10mA?


    Rogowski coil?
    John McMillan, Jul 10, 2006
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  8. GSiu

    Robert Baer Guest

    John McMillan wrote:

    > In article <UYhsg.6490$>,
    > Robert Baer <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Jim Yanik wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>Robert Baer <> wrote in
    >>>news:4r3sg.2197$:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>Jim Yanik wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>"GSiu" <> wrote in
    >>>>>news::
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>Is there any suggestion how to measure Pulse current up to 10KA and
    >>>>>>pulse wide below 10mA?

    >
    >
    > Rogowski coil?

    Wow! Used Google to find out what that was, and the first hit, the
    PDF is very illuminating and useful.
    Robert Baer, Jul 10, 2006
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  9. In article <yczsg.5621$>,
    Robert Baer <> wrote:

    > John McMillan wrote:
    >



    > >>>>>>Is there any suggestion how to measure Pulse current up to 10KA and
    > >>>>>>pulse wide below 10mA?

    > >
    > >
    > > Rogowski coil?

    > Wow! Used Google to find out what that was, and the first hit, the
    > PDF is very illuminating and useful.


    I had a summer job at Culham lab years back and we used to make
    these things out of stripped Hackethal delay cable. I don't
    suppose you can still get Hackethal or anything like it.
    Last year I built myself a tiny Rogowski coil by soldering eight surface
    mount inductors into an octagon. It worked too!
    John McMillan, Jul 14, 2006
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