DSC, DLS and PCLINK

Discussion in 'Security Alarms' started by Alan Rothenbush, Jul 1, 2004.

  1. Novice here, so please bear with me.

    I purchased a DSC Power832 (PC5010) with expander module, wireless
    reciever (for those places _impossible_ to get wire to) and LED keypad.

    My dealer was most helpful in getting me setup and teaching me how to
    program it myself.

    (I'm an electronics/computer guy, so having this neato electronic thing
    and not having any knowledge of the "workings" was unnacceptable).

    There's two things on my mind.

    a. About once every three months, the system reports a tamper to the
    monitoring station, which phones me, I tell them to ignore it, etc.

    The panel, as best I can determine after punching in all the keys, never
    tells me what caused the tamper, and indeed, never shows any sort fault
    as having happened at all.

    This leads me to ...

    b. what do I have to buy to allow me to examine the programming and the
    "reports" on a computer.

    I think I need a PCLINK cable, which certainly looks like something I can wire
    up in a minute, and I guess I need the DLS software, which I can purchase
    from a few sites.

    But do I need anything else ?

    I suspect I need a PC5401 module, as I cannot think of where else to
    connect a PCLINK cable to.


    Any help gratefully appreciated.


    Thanks in advance


    Alan
    --
    Alan Rothenbush | The Spartans do not ask the number of the
    Academic Computing Services | enemy, only where they are.
    Simon Fraser University |
    Burnaby, B.C., Canada | Agix of Sparta
    Alan Rothenbush, Jul 1, 2004
    #1
  2. Alan Rothenbush

    petem Guest

    a pc link can be wired directly to the pc 5010

    no need of a pc 5401..

    But this can only be a temporary connection cause if the pc link is
    connected this will prevent the transmission to the central of any code..

    if you want to use this as a permanent connection you will need the pc5401..
    in this case you will need to aply power to the pc5401 but dont connect the
    combuss wire to it..(only the red and black)
    then you put the provided wire between the pc 5010 and the pc5401 then
    connect the serial cable of the computer to the serial connecteur of the
    pc5401..

    hope it helped..


    "Alan Rothenbush" <> a écrit dans le message de
    news:...
    >
    > Novice here, so please bear with me.
    >
    > I purchased a DSC Power832 (PC5010) with expander module, wireless
    > reciever (for those places _impossible_ to get wire to) and LED keypad.
    >
    > My dealer was most helpful in getting me setup and teaching me how to
    > program it myself.
    >
    > (I'm an electronics/computer guy, so having this neato electronic thing
    > and not having any knowledge of the "workings" was unnacceptable).
    >
    > There's two things on my mind.
    >
    > a. About once every three months, the system reports a tamper to the
    > monitoring station, which phones me, I tell them to ignore it, etc.
    >
    > The panel, as best I can determine after punching in all the keys, never
    > tells me what caused the tamper, and indeed, never shows any sort fault
    > as having happened at all.
    >
    > This leads me to ...
    >
    > b. what do I have to buy to allow me to examine the programming and the
    > "reports" on a computer.
    >
    > I think I need a PCLINK cable, which certainly looks like something I can

    wire
    > up in a minute, and I guess I need the DLS software, which I can purchase
    > from a few sites.
    >
    > But do I need anything else ?
    >
    > I suspect I need a PC5401 module, as I cannot think of where else to
    > connect a PCLINK cable to.
    >
    >
    > Any help gratefully appreciated.
    >
    >
    > Thanks in advance
    >
    >
    > Alan
    > --
    > Alan Rothenbush | The Spartans do not ask the number of the
    > Academic Computing Services | enemy, only where they are.
    > Simon Fraser University |
    > Burnaby, B.C., Canada | Agix of Sparta
    petem, Jul 2, 2004
    #2
  3. In article <pm1Fc.11845$>, petem wrote:
    >
    > hope it helped..
    >


    Yup, I think so.

    If I understand, the panel is programmed either to "speak" out its modem (to
    the central monitoring station) or to speak out its serial port to a local
    PC, but not both.

    I have downloaded a copy of the DLS3 software, that explains how to program
    the panel to speak out the serial port, but not documnet how to put it back !

    Perhaps my installer can help .. or maybe I can figure it out from the
    downloaded info.

    Thanks again.

    Alan


    --
    Alan Rothenbush | The Spartans do not ask the number of the
    Academic Computing Services | enemy, only where they are.
    Simon Fraser University |
    Burnaby, B.C., Canada | Agix of Sparta
    Alan Rothenbush, Jul 2, 2004
    #3
  4. Alan Rothenbush

    Dorian Kruse Guest

    Alan Rothenbush <> wrote in message news:<>...
    > Novice here, so please bear with me.
    >
    > I purchased a DSC Power832 (PC5010) with expander module, wireless
    > reciever (for those places _impossible_ to get wire to) and LED keypad.
    >
    > My dealer was most helpful in getting me setup and teaching me how to
    > program it myself.
    >
    > (I'm an electronics/computer guy, so having this neato electronic thing
    > and not having any knowledge of the "workings" was unnacceptable).
    >
    > There's two things on my mind.
    >
    > a. About once every three months, the system reports a tamper to the
    > monitoring station, which phones me, I tell them to ignore it, etc.
    >
    > The panel, as best I can determine after punching in all the keys, never
    > tells me what caused the tamper, and indeed, never shows any sort fault
    > as having happened at all.
    >
    > This leads me to ...
    >
    > b. what do I have to buy to allow me to examine the programming and the
    > "reports" on a computer.
    >
    > I think I need a PCLINK cable, which certainly looks like something I can wire
    > up in a minute, and I guess I need the DLS software, which I can purchase
    > from a few sites.
    >
    > But do I need anything else ?
    >
    > I suspect I need a PC5401 module, as I cannot think of where else to
    > connect a PCLINK cable to.
    >
    >
    > Any help gratefully appreciated.
    >
    >
    > Thanks in advance
    >
    >
    > Alan



    Alan, The PC5401 is not what you need. The PC5401 is for RS232
    conection to other systems and controls. The DLS software conects to
    the panel thru a modem. You will need to get the DLS software and the
    proper Modem (which by the way is extremly slow, since the last time I
    downloaded a panel) and downkoad the panel make any changes and upload
    it back to the panel. The tamper could be from the wireless devices
    cover or a number of other things, I don't think the download software
    is going to be of any help but it sounds like you might have fun with
    it. It is pretty cool software and the PC 832 is by far the best panel
    on the market. If I can be of more assitance let me know.
    Dorian Kruse, Jul 2, 2004
    #4
  5. Alan Rothenbush

    Interested Guest

    Alan Rothenbush <> wrote in message news:<>...
    <snip>
    >
    > b. what do I have to buy to allow me to examine the programming and the
    > "reports" on a computer.
    >
    > I think I need a PCLINK cable, which certainly looks like something I can wire
    > up in a minute, and I guess I need the DLS software, which I can purchase
    > from a few sites.
    >
    > But do I need anything else ?
    >
    > I suspect I need a PC5401 module, as I cannot think of where else to
    > connect a PCLINK cable to.

    <snip>

    A PCLINK should do what you need. There should be a 4-pin header on
    the panel labeled something like "PC Link", usually it is slightly up
    and to the left of center of the board.

    You can make one in a few minutes-- the pinout is available. I seem to
    remember a resistor being the only thing close to being an "odd" item.

    Then you also need DLS.

    Shouldn't need a 5401 unless you're doing some interesting stuff.

    Interested.
    Interested, Jul 2, 2004
    #5
  6. Alan Rothenbush

    Frank Olson Guest

    "Alan Rothenbush" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >
    > Novice here, so please bear with me.
    >
    > I purchased a DSC Power832 (PC5010) with expander module, wireless
    > reciever (for those places _impossible_ to get wire to) and LED keypad.
    >
    > My dealer was most helpful in getting me setup and teaching me how to
    > program it myself.
    >
    > (I'm an electronics/computer guy, so having this neato electronic thing
    > and not having any knowledge of the "workings" was unnacceptable).
    >
    > There's two things on my mind.
    >
    > a. About once every three months, the system reports a tamper to the
    > monitoring station, which phones me, I tell them to ignore it, etc.


    Disable "general system tamper" reporting (location 338). This usually "cures"
    the problem with version 2.0 boards.


    Someone's already provided you the answer for the rest... :))
    Frank Olson, Jul 2, 2004
    #6
  7. Alan Rothenbush

    Mark Leuck Guest

    "Frank Olson" <> wrote in
    message news:fd6Fc.964782$oR5.226286@pd7tw3no...
    >
    > "Alan Rothenbush" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > >
    > > Novice here, so please bear with me.
    > >
    > > I purchased a DSC Power832 (PC5010) with expander module, wireless
    > > reciever (for those places _impossible_ to get wire to) and LED keypad.
    > >
    > > My dealer was most helpful in getting me setup and teaching me how to
    > > program it myself.
    > >
    > > (I'm an electronics/computer guy, so having this neato electronic thing
    > > and not having any knowledge of the "workings" was unnacceptable).
    > >
    > > There's two things on my mind.
    > >
    > > a. About once every three months, the system reports a tamper to the
    > > monitoring station, which phones me, I tell them to ignore it, etc.

    >
    > Disable "general system tamper" reporting (location 338). This usually

    "cures"
    > the problem with version 2.0 boards.


    But it doesn't cure the actual tamper, I'd find out what that is first
    Mark Leuck, Jul 2, 2004
    #7
  8. Alan Rothenbush

    Guest Guest

    I'd like to know wht that pinout is, if someone can explain or direct e
    somewhere?

    Thanks
    Michael



    "Interested" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Alan Rothenbush <> wrote in message

    news:<>...
    > <snip>
    > >
    > > b. what do I have to buy to allow me to examine the programming and the
    > > "reports" on a computer.
    > >
    > > I think I need a PCLINK cable, which certainly looks like something I

    can wire
    > > up in a minute, and I guess I need the DLS software, which I can

    purchase
    > > from a few sites.
    > >
    > > But do I need anything else ?
    > >
    > > I suspect I need a PC5401 module, as I cannot think of where else to
    > > connect a PCLINK cable to.

    > <snip>
    >
    > A PCLINK should do what you need. There should be a 4-pin header on
    > the panel labeled something like "PC Link", usually it is slightly up
    > and to the left of center of the board.
    >
    > You can make one in a few minutes-- the pinout is available. I seem to
    > remember a resistor being the only thing close to being an "odd" item.
    >
    > Then you also need DLS.
    >
    > Shouldn't need a 5401 unless you're doing some interesting stuff.
    >
    > Interested.
    Guest, Jul 2, 2004
    #8
  9. Re: DSC, DLS and PCLINK question 2

    Many thanks to all who've helped. I think I've got it now.

    I am VERY embarrassed to say that while I have been an EE for some
    30 years now, I entirely missed the 4 pin PCLINK connector on
    the panel ! Darkish closet, failing eyesight, evil shadow are my
    excuses. <G>

    I have one last question that I'm not clear on. The DLS3 docs
    state that to communicate with the local computer via a PCLINK
    cable, I enter

    *8
    installer code
    499
    installer code
    499

    and the panel should then communicate with the PC.

    I assume this to mean that the panel is now using its serial port
    instead of its modem to send info.

    The question is, how do I "flip" the panel back, so that it is again
    communicating by modem with the monitoring station ?


    You see, the point of this exercise is not to do my own monitoring
    nor is it to be able to watch things remotely.

    I simply want to know how my panel is programmed, in every detail,
    and get that to paper, and I don't want to do so by laboriously
    pounding away on my LED keypad.


    Thanks again.


    Alan



    --
    Alan Rothenbush | The Spartans do not ask the number of the
    Academic Computing Services | enemy, only where they are.
    Simon Fraser University |
    Burnaby, B.C., Canada | Agix of Sparta
    Alan Rothenbush, Jul 2, 2004
    #9
  10. In article <dreFc.12791$a24.10020@attbi_s03>, Mark Leuck wrote:
    >> Disable "general system tamper" reporting (location 338). This usually

    > "cures"
    >> the problem with version 2.0 boards.

    >
    > But it doesn't cure the actual tamper, I'd find out what that is first


    Agreed.

    That's one of the reasons why I want to get this PCLINK/DLS thing
    working, to have a look at

    a. the current programming (both for archive purposes and to understand
    how the zillion settings might interact), and

    b. the event buffer, to see if there's something in there that doesn't
    show up with all my button presses


    That's also why I'm interested in a PC5401, to log all events and maybe
    make some sense from those.

    (It is not, as my wife insists, just another toy. It is a serious
    and necessary component of our overall security system. She should
    believe _me_, and not her lying eyes !)


    Alan

    --
    Alan Rothenbush | The Spartans do not ask the number of the
    Academic Computing Services | enemy, only where they are.
    Simon Fraser University |
    Burnaby, B.C., Canada | Agix of Sparta
    Alan Rothenbush, Jul 2, 2004
    #10
  11. Alan Rothenbush

    RH.Campbell Guest

    Re: DSC, DLS and PCLINK question 2

    Sir, there is nothing special you need to do. By going into section 499 in
    the sequence you describe, the panel will communicate via the PC link cable.
    When you exit, it will always use the modem for outgoing communications with
    the central station. There is nothing special you need to do.

    However, in your software, you must default the laptop / software to the
    option of using the PC Link cable instead of it looking for a modem
    connection for the panel to go into PC Link communications mode. In other
    words, you must force it to communicate through the PC Link connection.....

    RHC

    "Alan Rothenbush" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >
    > Many thanks to all who've helped. I think I've got it now.
    >
    > I am VERY embarrassed to say that while I have been an EE for some
    > 30 years now, I entirely missed the 4 pin PCLINK connector on
    > the panel ! Darkish closet, failing eyesight, evil shadow are my
    > excuses. <G>
    >
    > I have one last question that I'm not clear on. The DLS3 docs
    > state that to communicate with the local computer via a PCLINK
    > cable, I enter
    >
    > *8
    > installer code
    > 499
    > installer code
    > 499
    >
    > and the panel should then communicate with the PC.
    >
    > I assume this to mean that the panel is now using its serial port
    > instead of its modem to send info.
    >
    > The question is, how do I "flip" the panel back, so that it is again
    > communicating by modem with the monitoring station ?
    >
    >
    > You see, the point of this exercise is not to do my own monitoring
    > nor is it to be able to watch things remotely.
    >
    > I simply want to know how my panel is programmed, in every detail,
    > and get that to paper, and I don't want to do so by laboriously
    > pounding away on my LED keypad.
    >
    >
    > Thanks again.
    >
    >
    > Alan
    >
    >
    >
    > --
    > Alan Rothenbush | The Spartans do not ask the number of the
    > Academic Computing Services | enemy, only where they are.
    > Simon Fraser University |
    > Burnaby, B.C., Canada | Agix of Sparta
    RH.Campbell, Jul 2, 2004
    #11
  12. Alan Rothenbush

    Guest Guest

    I have been trying uncuccessfully to install the DLS software. I am stopped
    by the message to install "DLS2002 Engine Only" which doesn't make sense.
    Probably something simple, but would someone please put me out of my misery?

    Thanks
    Michael
    Guest, Jul 3, 2004
    #12
  13. Alan Rothenbush

    petem Guest

    The dsl software is splitted in many section

    you need to first install the dsl engine folowed by the driver you
    need..(north american or the rest of the world driver)

    then you need the service packs...


    <x> a écrit dans le message de news:...
    >
    > I have been trying uncuccessfully to install the DLS software. I am

    stopped
    > by the message to install "DLS2002 Engine Only" which doesn't make sense.
    > Probably something simple, but would someone please put me out of my

    misery?
    >
    > Thanks
    > Michael
    >
    >
    petem, Jul 3, 2004
    #13
  14. Alan Rothenbush

    Guest Guest

    Yep, understand that.

    I have the DSL2002 and the service packs but I cannot identify the specific
    Engine component.


    "petem" <> wrote in message
    news:znAFc.66604$...
    > The dsl software is splitted in many section
    >
    > you need to first install the dsl engine folowed by the driver you
    > need..(north american or the rest of the world driver)
    >
    > then you need the service packs...
    >
    >
    > <x> a écrit dans le message de news:...
    > >
    > > I have been trying uncuccessfully to install the DLS software. I am

    > stopped
    > > by the message to install "DLS2002 Engine Only" which doesn't make

    sense.
    > > Probably something simple, but would someone please put me out of my

    > misery?
    > >
    > > Thanks
    > > Michael
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
    Guest, Jul 4, 2004
    #14
  15. Alan Rothenbush

    petem Guest

    what are the name of the installer that you have?

    <x> a écrit dans le message de news:...
    > Yep, understand that.
    >
    > I have the DSL2002 and the service packs but I cannot identify the

    specific
    > Engine component.
    >
    >
    > "petem" <> wrote in message
    > news:znAFc.66604$...
    > > The dsl software is splitted in many section
    > >
    > > you need to first install the dsl engine folowed by the driver you
    > > need..(north american or the rest of the world driver)
    > >
    > > then you need the service packs...
    > >
    > >
    > > <x> a écrit dans le message de news:...
    > > >
    > > > I have been trying uncuccessfully to install the DLS software. I am

    > > stopped
    > > > by the message to install "DLS2002 Engine Only" which doesn't make

    > sense.
    > > > Probably something simple, but would someone please put me out of my

    > > misery?
    > > >
    > > > Thanks
    > > > Michael
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
    petem, Jul 5, 2004
    #15
  16. Alan Rothenbush

    Guest Guest

    I have
    - dls2002_int_products
    - dls2002 sp1A
    - dls2002 sp2

    and then
    - dls3v1-3_int_drv
    - dls-3 lcd5500z v3.0 driver




    "petem" <> wrote in message
    news:CD1Gc.14114$...
    > what are the name of the installer that you have?
    >
    > <x> a écrit dans le message de news:...
    > > Yep, understand that.
    > >
    > > I have the DSL2002 and the service packs but I cannot identify the

    > specific
    > > Engine component.
    > >
    > >
    > > "petem" <> wrote in message
    > > news:znAFc.66604$...
    > > > The dsl software is splitted in many section
    > > >
    > > > you need to first install the dsl engine folowed by the driver you
    > > > need..(north american or the rest of the world driver)
    > > >
    > > > then you need the service packs...
    > > >
    > > >
    Guest, Jul 5, 2004
    #16
  17. Alan Rothenbush

    Mark Leuck Guest

    You have the international version but if its like the north America version
    you would also need dls2002_engine_only.exe

    <x> wrote in message news:...
    > I have
    > - dls2002_int_products
    > - dls2002 sp1A
    > - dls2002 sp2
    >
    > and then
    > - dls3v1-3_int_drv
    > - dls-3 lcd5500z v3.0 driver
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "petem" <> wrote in message
    > news:CD1Gc.14114$...
    > > what are the name of the installer that you have?
    > >
    > > <x> a écrit dans le message de news:...
    > > > Yep, understand that.
    > > >
    > > > I have the DSL2002 and the service packs but I cannot identify the

    > > specific
    > > > Engine component.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > "petem" <> wrote in message
    > > > news:znAFc.66604$...
    > > > > The dsl software is splitted in many section
    > > > >
    > > > > you need to first install the dsl engine folowed by the driver you
    > > > > need..(north american or the rest of the world driver)
    > > > >
    > > > > then you need the service packs...
    > > > >
    > > > >

    >
    >
    Mark Leuck, Jul 5, 2004
    #17
  18. Alan Rothenbush

    alarman Guest

    Alan Rothenbush wrote
    The Spartans do not ask the number of the enemy, only where they are.

    The Spartans then lack critical tactical information necessary to form an
    effective battle plan.
    js
    alarman, Jul 6, 2004
    #18
  19. Alan Rothenbush

    petem Guest

    As Mark Stated you need the Engine only installer..with out that,the rest is
    not useable..


    "Mark Leuck" <> a écrit dans le message de
    news:HCjGc.30077$Oq2.10698@attbi_s52...
    > You have the international version but if its like the north America

    version
    > you would also need dls2002_engine_only.exe
    >
    > <x> wrote in message news:...
    > > I have
    > > - dls2002_int_products
    > > - dls2002 sp1A
    > > - dls2002 sp2
    > >
    > > and then
    > > - dls3v1-3_int_drv
    > > - dls-3 lcd5500z v3.0 driver
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > "petem" <> wrote in message
    > > news:CD1Gc.14114$...
    > > > what are the name of the installer that you have?
    > > >
    > > > <x> a écrit dans le message de news:...
    > > > > Yep, understand that.
    > > > >
    > > > > I have the DSL2002 and the service packs but I cannot identify the
    > > > specific
    > > > > Engine component.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > "petem" <> wrote in message
    > > > > news:znAFc.66604$...
    > > > > > The dsl software is splitted in many section
    > > > > >
    > > > > > you need to first install the dsl engine folowed by the driver you
    > > > > > need..(north american or the rest of the world driver)
    > > > > >
    > > > > > then you need the service packs...
    > > > > >
    > > > > >

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
    petem, Jul 6, 2004
    #19
  20. Alan Rothenbush

    petem Guest

    I f you want i can send you the engine section of the installer..

    but i would like to see the international version(dont have acccess to it..)

    but i need an email addy to send it to you..

    <x> a écrit dans le message de news:...
    > I have
    > - dls2002_int_products
    > - dls2002 sp1A
    > - dls2002 sp2
    >
    > and then
    > - dls3v1-3_int_drv
    > - dls-3 lcd5500z v3.0 driver
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "petem" <> wrote in message
    > news:CD1Gc.14114$...
    > > what are the name of the installer that you have?
    > >
    > > <x> a écrit dans le message de news:...
    > > > Yep, understand that.
    > > >
    > > > I have the DSL2002 and the service packs but I cannot identify the

    > > specific
    > > > Engine component.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > "petem" <> wrote in message
    > > > news:znAFc.66604$...
    > > > > The dsl software is splitted in many section
    > > > >
    > > > > you need to first install the dsl engine folowed by the driver you
    > > > > need..(north american or the rest of the world driver)
    > > > >
    > > > > then you need the service packs...
    > > > >
    > > > >

    >
    >
    petem, Jul 6, 2004
    #20

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