cleaner wiring solution needed

Discussion in 'Security Alarms' started by Charles Harris, Mar 18, 2005.

  1. I am currently wiring up a vista 20p system and have run into a situation
    where I will have rought 8-10 wires going to 1 screw post for aux power.
    Does anyone have any recommendations on a cleaner way to wire this up so
    that the wires will not be so messy to the single post?

    Charles
    Charles Harris, Mar 18, 2005
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  2. Charles Harris

    mikey Guest

    8 -10 devices? Better check your current requirements :)
    I twist them all together with a pigtail for the terminal, solder and just
    twist on an suitably sized electrical marette. You could use terminal strips
    external to the can as well if you REALLY want a clean looking interior.
    Don't forget to leave a service loop.

    "Charles Harris" <> wrote in message
    news:WdH_d.2757$...
    > I am currently wiring up a vista 20p system and have run into a situation
    > where I will have rought 8-10 wires going to 1 screw post for aux power.
    > Does anyone have any recommendations on a cleaner way to wire this up so
    > that the wires will not be so messy to the single post?
    >
    > Charles
    >
    mikey, Mar 18, 2005
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  3. Charles Harris

    mikey Guest

    didn't see the Aegis posts there..

    "mikey" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > 8 -10 devices? Better check your current requirements :)
    > I twist them all together with a pigtail for the terminal, solder and

    just
    > twist on an suitably sized electrical marette. You could use terminal

    strips
    > external to the can as well if you REALLY want a clean looking interior.
    > Don't forget to leave a service loop.
    >
    > "Charles Harris" <> wrote in message
    > news:WdH_d.2757$...
    > > I am currently wiring up a vista 20p system and have run into a

    situation
    > > where I will have rought 8-10 wires going to 1 screw post for aux power.
    > > Does anyone have any recommendations on a cleaner way to wire this up so
    > > that the wires will not be so messy to the single post?
    > >
    > > Charles
    > >

    >
    >
    mikey, Mar 18, 2005
    #3
  4. Charles Harris

    mikey Guest

    jeeze Aegis, did we both knock off early today too? If you happen to have a
    beer in front of you right now, this would be just too freaky...

    "mikey" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > 8 -10 devices? Better check your current requirements :)
    > I twist them all together with a pigtail for the terminal, solder and

    just
    > twist on an suitably sized electrical marette. You could use terminal

    strips
    > external to the can as well if you REALLY want a clean looking interior.
    > Don't forget to leave a service loop.
    >
    > "Charles Harris" <> wrote in message
    > news:WdH_d.2757$...
    > > I am currently wiring up a vista 20p system and have run into a

    situation
    > > where I will have rought 8-10 wires going to 1 screw post for aux power.
    > > Does anyone have any recommendations on a cleaner way to wire this up so
    > > that the wires will not be so messy to the single post?
    > >
    > > Charles
    > >

    >
    >
    mikey, Mar 18, 2005
    #4
  5. > I am currently wiring up a vista 20p system
    > and have run into a situation where I will
    > have brought 8-10 wires going to 1 screw
    > post for aux power. Does anyone have any
    > recommendations on a cleaner way to wire
    > this up so that the wires will not be so messy
    > to the single post?


    Bring all of the red (+) and black (-) wires together in two bundles. Add
    an extra pigtail lead to each bundle. Solder and tape the splices. Run the
    pigtails up to the AUX power terminals. This is the best technique.

    --

    Regards,
    Robert L Bass

    =============================>
    Bass Home Electronics
    2291 Pine View Circle
    Sarasota · Florida · 34231
    877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
    http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
    =============================>
    Robert L. Bass, Mar 18, 2005
    #5
  6. Charles Harris

    R.H.Campbell Guest

    If you don't want to solder and tape, you can also use a Marr connector of
    the correct size as well. Make sure you twist all the red wires together
    tightly after stripping off about 1 inch of the insulation, so the Marr
    connector simply ensures a continuing tight joint, just as you would when
    wiring AC. It also pays to double up the wires in the pigtail...ie two red
    wires twisted together at each end going to the Aux + and two black wires
    together in the Aux -.

    I have installed over 1200 alarms for my own company, as well as others,
    without a hint of a problem this way.

    R.H.Campbell
    Home Security Metal Products
    Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
    www.homemetal.com

    "Robert L. Bass" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >> I am currently wiring up a vista 20p system
    >> and have run into a situation where I will
    >> have brought 8-10 wires going to 1 screw
    >> post for aux power. Does anyone have any
    >> recommendations on a cleaner way to wire
    >> this up so that the wires will not be so messy
    >> to the single post?

    >
    > Bring all of the red (+) and black (-) wires together in two bundles. Add
    > an extra pigtail lead to each bundle. Solder and tape the splices. Run
    > the pigtails up to the AUX power terminals. This is the best technique.
    >
    > --
    >
    > Regards,
    > Robert L Bass
    >
    > =============================>
    > Bass Home Electronics
    > 2291 Pine View Circle
    > Sarasota · Florida · 34231
    > 877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
    > http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
    > =============================>
    >
    >
    R.H.Campbell, Mar 18, 2005
    #6
  7. Charles Harris

    birdman Guest

    Robert L. Bass wrote:


    >
    > Bring all of the red (+) and black (-) wires together in two bundles.


    WARNING! DO NOT DO THIS! If you put + and - together you will short out
    your power supply! Fast buck Bass not in the trade and is misleading
    you so he can sell more equipment to unsuspecting DIYers.
    birdman, Mar 18, 2005
    #7
  8. Charles Harris

    mikey Guest

    oh, settle down, he said TWO bundles, not ONE
    If you're going to pick on the guy, make sure you've got something to bitch
    about, that was a cheap shot.

    "birdman" <> wrote in message
    news:xwI_d.35593$...
    > Robert L. Bass wrote:
    >
    >
    > >
    > > Bring all of the red (+) and black (-) wires together in two bundles.

    >
    > WARNING! DO NOT DO THIS! If you put + and - together you will short out
    > your power supply! Fast buck Bass not in the trade and is misleading
    > you so he can sell more equipment to unsuspecting DIYers.
    mikey, Mar 18, 2005
    #8
  9. Charles Harris

    birdman Guest

    mikey wrote:

    > oh, settle down, he said TWO bundles, not ONE
    > If you're going to pick on the guy, make sure you've got something to bitch
    > about, that was a cheap shot.
    >
    > "birdman" <> wrote in message
    > news:xwI_d.35593$...
    >
    >>Robert L. Bass wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>Bring all of the red (+) and black (-) wires together in two bundles.

    >>
    >>WARNING! DO NOT DO THIS! If you put + and - together you will short out
    >>your power supply! Fast buck Bass not in the trade and is misleading
    >>you so he can sell more equipment to unsuspecting DIYers.

    >
    >
    >

    don't care how many bundles it is. If you put " + and - together " you
    will short the power supply.
    Besides it no cheaper a shot than what he frequently does.
    birdman, Mar 18, 2005
    #9
  10. Charles Harris

    R.H.Campbell Guest

    Uh...I don't think he said that. Shorting black and red is an obvious "no
    no"....

    RHC


    "birdman" <> wrote in message
    news:xwI_d.35593$...
    > Robert L. Bass wrote:
    >
    >
    >>
    >> Bring all of the red (+) and black (-) wires together in two bundles.

    >
    > WARNING! DO NOT DO THIS! If you put + and - together you will short out
    > your power supply! Fast buck Bass not in the trade and is misleading you
    > so he can sell more equipment to unsuspecting DIYers.
    R.H.Campbell, Mar 18, 2005
    #10
  11. Charles Harris

    birdman Guest

    R.H.Campbell wrote:

    > Uh...I don't think he said that.


    Do you think someone is forging his messages?

    Shorting black and red is an obvious "no
    > no"....


    I agree!
    birdman, Mar 19, 2005
    #11
  12. Charles Harris

    petem Guest

    "birdman" <> a écrit dans le message de news:
    xwI_d.35593$...
    > Robert L. Bass wrote:
    >
    >
    >>
    >> Bring all of the red (+) and black (-) wires together in two bundles.

    >
    > WARNING! DO NOT DO THIS! If you put + and - together you will short out
    > your power supply! Fast buck Bass not in the trade and is misleading you
    > so he can sell more equipment to unsuspecting DIYers.


    now that a cheap shot.. even if I blocked him cause he is making too much
    noise...

    he never meant to make the op do what you think ... he didn't wrote it
    clearly enough but it was not that bad...

    for the op what he was trying to tell you is make a bundle with all the
    negative wire...then a bundle of all the positive wire..

    take each bundle and put one wire from each bundle to the good
    terminal..(negative to - and positive to +)

    god I think I am surrounded with kids that like to pick on each other....

    (and I don't help!!!!!!!!)
    petem, Mar 19, 2005
    #12
  13. Charles Harris

    Jackcsg Guest

    Actually....I was kind of digging the sound of wiring them all together.
    That would be neat.
    Hell....that would be wicked cool!

    "petem" <> wrote in message
    news:lgK_d.61645$...
    >
    > "birdman" <> a écrit dans le message de news:
    > xwI_d.35593$...
    > > Robert L. Bass wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > >>
    > >> Bring all of the red (+) and black (-) wires together in two bundles.

    > >
    > > WARNING! DO NOT DO THIS! If you put + and - together you will short out
    > > your power supply! Fast buck Bass not in the trade and is misleading

    you
    > > so he can sell more equipment to unsuspecting DIYers.

    >
    > now that a cheap shot.. even if I blocked him cause he is making too much
    > noise...
    >
    > he never meant to make the op do what you think ... he didn't wrote it
    > clearly enough but it was not that bad...
    >
    > for the op what he was trying to tell you is make a bundle with all the
    > negative wire...then a bundle of all the positive wire..
    >
    > take each bundle and put one wire from each bundle to the good
    > terminal..(negative to - and positive to +)
    >
    > god I think I am surrounded with kids that like to pick on each other....
    >
    > (and I don't help!!!!!!!!)
    >
    >
    Jackcsg, Mar 19, 2005
    #13
  14. Charles Harris

    birdman Guest

    petem wrote:

    > "birdman" <> a écrit dans le message de news:
    > xwI_d.35593$...
    >
    >>Robert L. Bass wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>Bring all of the red (+) and black (-) wires together in two bundles.

    >>
    >>WARNING! DO NOT DO THIS! If you put + and - together you will short out
    >>your power supply! Fast buck Bass not in the trade and is misleading you
    >>so he can sell more equipment to unsuspecting DIYers.

    >
    >
    > now that a cheap shot.. even if I blocked him cause he is making too much
    > noise...


    slow nite

    >
    > he never meant to make the op do what you think ... he didn't wrote it
    > clearly enough but it was not that bad...


    you must have espn if you know what he meant

    >
    > for the op what he was trying to tell you is make a bundle with all the
    > negative wire...then a bundle of all the positive wire..


    don't forget the key word 'together'

    >
    > take each bundle and put one wire from each bundle to the good
    > terminal..(negative to - and positive to +)
    >
    > god I think I am surrounded with kids that like to pick on each other....


    just on fast buck

    >
    > (and I don't help!!!!!!!!)


    thanks :)
    birdman, Mar 19, 2005
    #14
  15. Charles Harris

    alarman Guest

    R.H.Campbell wrote
    >It also pays to double up the wires in the pigtail...ie two red
    > wires twisted together at each end going to the Aux + and two black wires
    > together in the Aux -.


    Parallel conductors?? What th...but...

    ;-)


    js
    alarman, Mar 19, 2005
    #15
  16. Charles Harris

    Aegis Guest

    "Robert L. Bass" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >> I am currently wiring up a vista 20p system
    >> and have run into a situation where I will
    >> have brought 8-10 wires going to 1 screw
    >> post for aux power. Does anyone have any
    >> recommendations on a cleaner way to wire
    >> this up so that the wires will not be so messy
    >> to the single post?

    >
    > Bring all of the red (+) and black (-) wires together in two bundles. Add
    > an extra pigtail lead to each bundle. Solder and tape the splices. Run
    > the pigtails up to the AUX power terminals. This is the best technique.
    >


    I have to disagree. An improvised power distribution bus is the best
    technique, IMO.

    > --
    >
    > Regards,
    > Robert L Bass
    >
    > =============================>
    > Bass Home Electronics
    > 2291 Pine View Circle
    > Sarasota · Florida · 34231
    > 877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
    > http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
    > =============================>
    >
    >
    Aegis, Mar 19, 2005
    #16
  17. Charles Harris

    Jim Guest

    >I have installed over 1200 alarms for my own >company, as well as
    others,
    >without a hint of a problem this way.



    :)

    Hmmmm

    Do I hear .......
    500? 700? 1000? 1200?

    Do I hear 1500?????

    going once

    going twice

    going ..... wait .....

    wait a minute.

    I think I hear 1500 coming from up north .....

    ==============
    Well Robert..........

    You know how I really hate to say ..... I tol ya so .....but hey
    .......... what the hell. Eh?

    Now all you have to wonder about is:

    the other things I've predicted about your so called "business plan"
    Jim, Mar 19, 2005
    #17
  18. Charles Harris

    R.H.Campbell Guest

    Re: cleaner wiring solution needed (resend)

    Sorry, this is a resend....something strange going on with my computer....
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    My "so called" business plan is working well I'll have you know. Contrary to
    most companies in this industry, I actually created a very real business
    plan based on sold rate models that I used when working in Bell Canada. Nor
    have I had to change it much during it's implementation. My son is now full
    time in the business and will be taking it over very soon. Our revenues
    continue to rise dramatically, and my service costs are far below what I
    imagined they would ever be. My phone continues to ring continually, and I
    have ZERO overhead costs when it comes to advertising and promotion. Our
    company has come to be known for it's straightforward and totally honest
    approach to dealing with clients, and I'm damn proud of that (I will gladly
    tell a client when we are not his best choice for security services when we
    are not...). My reputation in the local industry is solid; nor do I ever
    have to resort to getting "down and dirty" with many other local companies.
    And the longer I'm in this business, the firmer my beliefs are about certain
    industry practices. And just to reiterate (if it even matters to you) here
    is what I've come to believe to be true

    1- Long term contracts demanded by most companies in this business (when not
    necessary to ensure a "free system" is paid for) are almost an industry
    scam. There is simply no need for them! Most cases amount to nothing more
    than a customer ripoff !!!
    2- Most small companies charge excessive rates for monthly monitoring
    services (in excess of $20 even when not paying down the cost of the system
    put in at an artificially low price). Larger companies need this level
    legitimately to maintain their higher overheads, but smaller ones are simply
    feeding at the trough !!
    3- There ought to be a law against locking customer owned fully paid for
    alarm panels.
    4- The marketeers of free systems have cheapened the market even while
    creating increased demand
    5- You don't need a long term contract on accounts to make them valuable to
    more sophisticated buyers
    6- There's no true leadership in this industry by the largest of the alarm
    companies. They simply are the largest (and some would say the worst) of the
    bottom feeding money grubbers.
    7- You don't take every customer that comes in the door. You have to stay
    strictly within your market niche.
    8- You must weed out your "non payers" ruthlessly
    9- Automatic billing is the only way to go. If they don't want that, then
    send them elsewhere.

    I have about 800 accounts now and growing fast at about 5 a week. I wouldn't
    have gone beyond my ceiling of 500 if my son hadn't joined me in the
    business. I thought I would spend my time doing service work, but that
    simply hasn't come about. I'm going to head out on my motorcycle soon and
    leave things in good hands !! And to sum it up, I don't give a tinkers damn
    whether you or anyone else agrees with my methodology; my customers do. I
    look after them first and foremost and it seems they look after me ! If what
    works for you is different...well fine....good luck to you...I truly wish
    you every success.

    And the last thing is, how the hell come I see your posts. I blocked your
    mostly vulgar posts long ago. Seems I'll have to do it again.

    RHC


    "Jim" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > >I have installed over 1200 alarms for my own >company, as well as

    > others,
    >>without a hint of a problem this way.

    >
    >
    > :)
    >
    > Hmmmm
    >
    > Do I hear .......
    > 500? 700? 1000? 1200?
    >
    > Do I hear 1500?????
    >
    > going once
    >
    > going twice
    >
    > going ..... wait .....
    >
    > wait a minute.
    >
    > I think I hear 1500 coming from up north .....
    >
    > ==============
    > Well Robert..........
    >
    > You know how I really hate to say ..... I tol ya so .....but hey
    > ......... what the hell. Eh?
    >
    > Now all you have to wonder about is:
    >
    > the other things I've predicted about your so called "business plan"
    >
    R.H.Campbell, Mar 19, 2005
    #18
  19. Re: cleaner wiring solution needed (resend)

    > My "so called" business plan is working well
    > I'll have you know. ... Nor have I had to
    > change it much during it's implementation.
    > My son is now full time in the business and
    > will be taking it over very soon...


    Excellent! I assume that means you'll be stopping
    by one of these days. I'll fire of the grill.

    > 1- Long term contracts demanded by most
    > companies in this business (when not necessary
    > to ensure a "free system" is paid for) are almost
    > an industry scam. There is simply no need for
    > them! Most cases amount to nothing more than
    > a customer ripoff !!!


    I couldn't agree more, Robert.

    > 2- Most small companies charge excessive
    > rates for monthly monitoring services (in
    > excess of $20 even when not paying down
    > the cost of the system put in at an artificially
    > low price). Larger companies need this level
    > legitimately to maintain their higher overheads,
    > but smaller ones are simply feeding at the
    > trough !!


    Yep.

    > 3- There ought to be a law against locking
    > customer owned fully paid for alarm panels.


    There is a law. It's called larceny. When you
    sell something to someone and then secretly
    disable it so that they must continue to pay
    you after the agreed upon price has been paid
    that is a form of theft. Alarm companies do
    this all the time. They get away with it only
    because most people are unwilling to fight
    back or lack the knowledge of their rights.

    > ...I'm going to head out on my motorcycle
    > soon and leave things in good hands!!


    I'm considering buying a small "Ninja" bike --
    not a real powerful one, just something to
    buzz around town with.

    > And to sum it up, I don't give a tinkers damn
    > whether you or anyone else agrees with my
    > methodology; my customers do. I look after
    > them first and foremost and it seems they
    > look after me!


    Precisely! You don't have to answer to Jiminex
    or any of the rest of the local IB.

    > And the last thing is, how the hell come I
    > see [Jiminex'] posts. I blocked your mostly
    > vulgar posts long ago. Seems I'll have to
    > do it again.


    He changes his alias to get past the filters
    people put up to avoid seeing his filth.
    Robert L. Bass, Mar 19, 2005
    #19
  20. Re: cleaner wiring solution needed (resend)

    How do you obtain liability and e/o insurance without a contract? Don't insurance carriers require to see your contract in Canada? The do here. You can't get insurance without the insurance carrier approving your contract.

    Contacts are to protect you and your client. And you don't have to enforce anything in the contract if you don't want to.

    If you're a small company can you absorb the cost of protecting yourself from a lawsuit without insurance and a valid contract to fall back on? If you think some nutjob won't try to sue you someday..think again. Not everyone is your friend.

    Feeding at the trough? You don't think you have overhead for monitoring? - mailing billing cost, keeping someone on call 24hrs to answer clients questions, liability insurance, etc. You're adverse to making a fair profit? If your third party monitoring station only charged you a $1.00 a month for an account would you only charge $2.00 to your client?



    "R.H.Campbell" <> wrote in message news:...
    > Sorry, this is a resend....something strange going on with my computer....
    > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    > My "so called" business plan is working well I'll have you know. Contrary to
    > most companies in this industry, I actually created a very real business
    > plan based on sold rate models that I used when working in Bell Canada. Nor
    > have I had to change it much during it's implementation. My son is now full
    > time in the business and will be taking it over very soon. Our revenues
    > continue to rise dramatically, and my service costs are far below what I
    > imagined they would ever be. My phone continues to ring continually, and I
    > have ZERO overhead costs when it comes to advertising and promotion. Our
    > company has come to be known for it's straightforward and totally honest
    > approach to dealing with clients, and I'm damn proud of that (I will gladly
    > tell a client when we are not his best choice for security services when we
    > are not...). My reputation in the local industry is solid; nor do I ever
    > have to resort to getting "down and dirty" with many other local companies.
    > And the longer I'm in this business, the firmer my beliefs are about certain
    > industry practices. And just to reiterate (if it even matters to you) here
    > is what I've come to believe to be true
    >
    > 1- Long term contracts demanded by most companies in this business (when not
    > necessary to ensure a "free system" is paid for) are almost an industry
    > scam. There is simply no need for them! Most cases amount to nothing more
    > than a customer ripoff !!!
    > 2- Most small companies charge excessive rates for monthly monitoring
    > services (in excess of $20 even when not paying down the cost of the system
    > put in at an artificially low price). Larger companies need this level
    > legitimately to maintain their higher overheads, but smaller ones are simply
    > feeding at the trough !!
    > 3- There ought to be a law against locking customer owned fully paid for
    > alarm panels.
    > 4- The marketeers of free systems have cheapened the market even while
    > creating increased demand
    > 5- You don't need a long term contract on accounts to make them valuable to
    > more sophisticated buyers
    > 6- There's no true leadership in this industry by the largest of the alarm
    > companies. They simply are the largest (and some would say the worst) of the
    > bottom feeding money grubbers.
    > 7- You don't take every customer that comes in the door. You have to stay
    > strictly within your market niche.
    > 8- You must weed out your "non payers" ruthlessly
    > 9- Automatic billing is the only way to go. If they don't want that, then
    > send them elsewhere.
    >
    > I have about 800 accounts now and growing fast at about 5 a week. I wouldn't
    > have gone beyond my ceiling of 500 if my son hadn't joined me in the
    > business. I thought I would spend my time doing service work, but that
    > simply hasn't come about. I'm going to head out on my motorcycle soon and
    > leave things in good hands !! And to sum it up, I don't give a tinkers damn
    > whether you or anyone else agrees with my methodology; my customers do. I
    > look after them first and foremost and it seems they look after me ! If what
    > works for you is different...well fine....good luck to you...I truly wish
    > you every success.
    >
    > And the last thing is, how the hell come I see your posts. I blocked your
    > mostly vulgar posts long ago. Seems I'll have to do it again.
    >
    > RHC
    >
    >
    > "Jim" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > >I have installed over 1200 alarms for my own >company, as well as

    > > others,
    > >>without a hint of a problem this way.

    > >
    > >
    > > :)
    > >
    > > Hmmmm
    > >
    > > Do I hear .......
    > > 500? 700? 1000? 1200?
    > >
    > > Do I hear 1500?????
    > >
    > > going once
    > >
    > > going twice
    > >
    > > going ..... wait .....
    > >
    > > wait a minute.
    > >
    > > I think I hear 1500 coming from up north .....
    > >
    > > ==============
    > > Well Robert..........
    > >
    > > You know how I really hate to say ..... I tol ya so .....but hey
    > > ......... what the hell. Eh?
    > >
    > > Now all you have to wonder about is:
    > >
    > > the other things I've predicted about your so called "business plan"
    > >

    >
    >
    >
    Crash Gordon®, Mar 19, 2005
    #20
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