Christmas tree lights

Discussion in 'General Electronics' started by Jungle Jim, Dec 3, 2006.

  1. Jungle Jim

    Jungle Jim Guest

    Our Christmas tree (3 years old) has 950 GE Constant On lights divided
    into many strings. One string is out and I can't find a reason. The
    Constant On lights are supposed to remain lit even if a bulb is
    removred from a socket. I am at a loss as to how to troubleshoot the
    problem as I don't know anything about the technology.

    Can someone explain the technology for me and does anyone have any
    troubleshooting techniques unique to this type of lights. ?

    The other question I have involves a gadget I saw one night late
    during a bout of insomnia. QVC was selling a Christmas light "fixer".
    It seems if you have a string of lights out, you remove a bulb, plug
    the end of this gadget into the empty socket, click the "trigger" a
    few times and preato! the string is not lit. What is this thing and
    how does it work ?
     
    Jungle Jim, Dec 3, 2006
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  2. Jungle Jim

    Robert Baer Guest

    Jungle Jim wrote:

    > Our Christmas tree (3 years old) has 950 GE Constant On lights divided
    > into many strings. One string is out and I can't find a reason. The
    > Constant On lights are supposed to remain lit even if a bulb is
    > removred from a socket. I am at a loss as to how to troubleshoot the
    > problem as I don't know anything about the technology.
    >
    > Can someone explain the technology for me and does anyone have any
    > troubleshooting techniques unique to this type of lights. ?
    >
    > The other question I have involves a gadget I saw one night late
    > during a bout of insomnia. QVC was selling a Christmas light "fixer".
    > It seems if you have a string of lights out, you remove a bulb, plug
    > the end of this gadget into the empty socket, click the "trigger" a
    > few times and preato! the string is not lit. What is this thing and
    > how does it work ?


    Well, the only two ways i can think of so that (remaining) lights
    stay on if one is removed are:
    1) All lights are in parallel and do are either rated for full line
    voltage or there is a transformer driving them.
    2) The lights are in sereis and the sockets are mechanically engineered
    so removal of a bulb relieves pressure on a spring that then contacts
    the other side (eg: the spring that contacts the solder "tip" of the
    bulb would then short to the screw part).
    **
    Say what? The string does not work and using the "fixer" does nothing
    (but take a byte out of your wallett)?
     
    Robert Baer, Dec 3, 2006
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  3. Jungle Jim

    Nermal Guest

    As you already suspected the one of the bulbs in the string burnt out.
    Each of the bulbs have a low voltage insulating disk between two
    contacts that are in parallel with the filament. When the filament
    opens, the entire voltage appears across the disk and the disk melts
    open and the contacts close. The burnt out bulb is now shorted. The
    rest of the bulbs in the string operate ok but slightly brighter.

    Sometimes when the filament opens, the insulating disk does not burn
    open. That is the purpose of the "fixer". It momentarily applies a
    much higher voltage across the series string (instead of 165 Volts peak,
    the voltage may be as high as 250 volts). I do not think that the
    "fixer" will work very well with a series/parallel configuration.

    The solution is to remove and replace the bulbs in the 'dark" string
    one-by-one with a known good bulb until the string lights up again.

    Jungle Jim wrote:
    > Our Christmas tree (3 years old) has 950 GE Constant On lights divided
    > into many strings. One string is out and I can't find a reason. The
    > Constant On lights are supposed to remain lit even if a bulb is
    > removred from a socket. I am at a loss as to how to troubleshoot the
    > problem as I don't know anything about the technology.
    >
    > Can someone explain the technology for me and does anyone have any
    > troubleshooting techniques unique to this type of lights. ?
    >
    > The other question I have involves a gadget I saw one night late
    > during a bout of insomnia. QVC was selling a Christmas light "fixer".
    > It seems if you have a string of lights out, you remove a bulb, plug
    > the end of this gadget into the empty socket, click the "trigger" a
    > few times and preato! the string is not lit. What is this thing and
    > how does it work ?
     
    Nermal, Dec 3, 2006
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