32-pin PLCC programmer

Discussion in 'Electronic Design' started by Ozz, Oct 9, 2003.

  1. Ozz

    Ozz Guest

    ok guys i need to make a 32-pin PLCC programmer.. is it possible????
    and no i dont want to pay 100 bucks for one because i cheap ;)
     
    Ozz, Oct 9, 2003
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  2. Ozz

    Bill Sloman Guest

    (Ozz) wrote in message news:<>...
    > ok guys i need to make a 32-pin PLCC programmer.. is it possible????
    > and no i dont want to pay 100 bucks for one because i cheap ;)


    Replace the PLCC with an ISP part.

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    Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
     
    Bill Sloman, Oct 9, 2003
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  3. >ok guys i need to make a 32-pin PLCC programmer.. is it possible????
    >and no i dont want to pay 100 bucks for one because i cheap ;)


    Of course it is possible, especially if you value your time as
    $0.00/hour and are willing to spend $500 in components.

    But PLCC32 is a housing, not a particular chip. So exactly what chip
    do you want to program? Or do you have a DIP programmer and you want
    to make a PLCC adapter?


    Wouter van Ooijen

    -- ------------------------------------
    http://www.voti.nl
    PICmicro chips, programmers, consulting
     
    Wouter van Ooijen, Oct 9, 2003
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  4. Ozz

    Ozz Guest

    (Wouter van Ooijen (www.voti.nl)) wrote in message news:<4all.nl>...
    > >ok guys i need to make a 32-pin PLCC programmer.. is it possible????
    > >and no i dont want to pay 100 bucks for one because i cheap ;)

    >
    > Of course it is possible, especially if you value your time as
    > $0.00/hour and are willing to spend $500 in components.
    >
    > But PLCC32 is a housing, not a particular chip. So exactly what chip
    > do you want to program? Or do you have a DIP programmer and you want
    > to make a PLCC adapter?
    >
    >
    > Wouter van Ooijen
    >
    > -- ------------------------------------
    > http://www.voti.nl
    > PICmicro chips, programmers, consulting


    im looking to program

    Amd
    AM29F040B

    here is a manual i found on it..

    http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/21445.pdf

    oh and the reason i dont want to buy a programmer really is because i
    have no use for it but just to program one chip..

    i was thinking of maybe using a cheaplpc programmer like the ones used
    to program the 32 pin xbox cheap mods but was told by someone it was
    not possible.
     
    Ozz, Oct 10, 2003
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  5. Ozz

    Gary Tait Guest

    Whereas On 9 Oct 2003 21:54:17 -0700,
    (Ozz) scribbled:
    , I thus relpy:
    > (Wouter van Ooijen (www.voti.nl)) wrote in message news:<4all.nl>...
    >> >ok guys i need to make a 32-pin PLCC programmer.. is it possible????
    >> >and no i dont want to pay 100 bucks for one because i cheap ;)

    >>
    >> Of course it is possible, especially if you value your time as
    >> $0.00/hour and are willing to spend $500 in components.
    >>
    >> But PLCC32 is a housing, not a particular chip. So exactly what chip
    >> do you want to program? Or do you have a DIP programmer and you want
    >> to make a PLCC adapter?
    >>
    >>
    >> Wouter van Ooijen
    >>
    >> -- ------------------------------------
    >> http://www.voti.nl
    >> PICmicro chips, programmers, consulting

    >
    >im looking to program
    >
    >Amd
    >AM29F040B
    >
    >here is a manual i found on it..
    >
    >http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/21445.pdf
    >
    >oh and the reason i dont want to buy a programmer really is because i
    >have no use for it but just to program one chip..
    >
    >i was thinking of maybe using a cheaplpc programmer like the ones used
    >to program the 32 pin xbox cheap mods but was told by someone it was
    >not possible.


    From what it appears, the modchip for the Xbox uses an SST49LF020,
    which has the LPC programmability, while the 29F chip is exclusively
    parallel program, meaning you will have to make an 8 byte read/write
    bus, an up to 19 bit address bus, and the R/W/CE lines for it. Now,
    if you could, you could probably get the LPC version of the 29F040.

    If you are willing to work and/or spend money, you can build a
    programmer.

    Another option, if you are savvy enough, is to use a PC or other user
    upgradeable Flash appliance (Eg DVD player) and hot switch the roms
    at the right point,.

    You could also build an adaptor/ wire a socket to use the JTAG on
    something that uses that (such as a satellite receiver).

    Last resort would be to find a service that programs chips.
    --
    Gary J. Tait . Email is at yahoo.com ; ID:classicsat
     
    Gary Tait, Oct 10, 2003
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    Bubba Jones Guest

    On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:55:29 -0400, Gary Tait <> wrote:

    > Whereas On 9 Oct 2003 21:54:17 -0700,
    >(Ozz) scribbled:
    >, I thus relpy:
    >> (Wouter van Ooijen (www.voti.nl)) wrote in message news:<4all.nl>...
    >>> >ok guys i need to make a 32-pin PLCC programmer.. is it possible????
    >>> >and no i dont want to pay 100 bucks for one because i cheap ;)
    >>>
    >>> Of course it is possible, especially if you value your time as
    >>> $0.00/hour and are willing to spend $500 in components.
    >>>
    >>> But PLCC32 is a housing, not a particular chip. So exactly what chip
    >>> do you want to program? Or do you have a DIP programmer and you want
    >>> to make a PLCC adapter?
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Wouter van Ooijen
    >>>
    >>> -- ------------------------------------
    >>> http://www.voti.nl
    >>> PICmicro chips, programmers, consulting

    >>
    >>im looking to program
    >>
    >>Amd
    >>AM29F040B
    >>
    >>here is a manual i found on it..
    >>
    >>http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/21445.pdf
    >>
    >>oh and the reason i dont want to buy a programmer really is because i
    >>have no use for it but just to program one chip..
    >>
    >>i was thinking of maybe using a cheaplpc programmer like the ones used
    >>to program the 32 pin xbox cheap mods but was told by someone it was
    >>not possible.

    >
    >From what it appears, the modchip for the Xbox uses an SST49LF020,
    >which has the LPC programmability, while the 29F chip is exclusively
    >parallel program, meaning you will have to make an 8 byte read/write
    >bus, an up to 19 bit address bus, and the R/W/CE lines for it. Now,
    >if you could, you could probably get the LPC version of the 29F040.
    >
    >If you are willing to work and/or spend money, you can build a
    >programmer.
    >
    >Another option, if you are savvy enough, is to use a PC or other user
    >upgradeable Flash appliance (Eg DVD player) and hot switch the roms
    >at the right point,.
    >
    >You could also build an adaptor/ wire a socket to use the JTAG on
    >something that uses that (such as a satellite receiver).
    >
    >Last resort would be to find a service that programs chips.



    You can build a flash programmer for the AM29F040 for about $50 based
    on circuit found at http://www.devrs.com/e/tools.php#toolprgr

    Select the link for "2001/07/09 - Frohwein-Sshua Flash Programmer"

    Modify the circuit for using a PLCC32 vs. DIP socket

    Make sure you use version 1.5 of software if you use 74HC595 chips.

    You may need to change BIOS setting in PC to make parallel port
    functional for use with programmer.

    Bubba
     
    Bubba Jones, Oct 10, 2003
    #6
  7. Ozz

    Ozz Guest

    Gary Tait <> wrote in message news:<>...
    > Whereas On 9 Oct 2003 21:54:17 -0700,
    > (Ozz) scribbled:
    > , I thus relpy:
    > > (Wouter van Ooijen (www.voti.nl)) wrote in message news:<4all.nl>...
    > >> >ok guys i need to make a 32-pin PLCC programmer.. is it possible????
    > >> >and no i dont want to pay 100 bucks for one because i cheap ;)
    > >>
    > >> Of course it is possible, especially if you value your time as
    > >> $0.00/hour and are willing to spend $500 in components.
    > >>
    > >> But PLCC32 is a housing, not a particular chip. So exactly what chip
    > >> do you want to program? Or do you have a DIP programmer and you want
    > >> to make a PLCC adapter?
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> Wouter van Ooijen
    > >>
    > >> -- ------------------------------------
    > >> http://www.voti.nl
    > >> PICmicro chips, programmers, consulting

    > >
    > >im looking to program
    > >
    > >Amd
    > >AM29F040B
    > >
    > >here is a manual i found on it..
    > >
    > >http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/21445.pdf
    > >
    > >oh and the reason i dont want to buy a programmer really is because i
    > >have no use for it but just to program one chip..
    > >
    > >i was thinking of maybe using a cheaplpc programmer like the ones used
    > >to program the 32 pin xbox cheap mods but was told by someone it was
    > >not possible.

    >
    > From what it appears, the modchip for the Xbox uses an SST49LF020,
    > which has the LPC programmability, while the 29F chip is exclusively
    > parallel program, meaning you will have to make an 8 byte read/write
    > bus, an up to 19 bit address bus, and the R/W/CE lines for it. Now,
    > if you could, you could probably get the LPC version of the 29F040.
    >
    > If you are willing to work and/or spend money, you can build a
    > programmer.
    >
    > Another option, if you are savvy enough, is to use a PC or other user
    > upgradeable Flash appliance (Eg DVD player) and hot switch the roms
    > at the right point,.
    >
    > You could also build an adaptor/ wire a socket to use the JTAG on
    > something that uses that (such as a satellite receiver).
    >
    > Last resort would be to find a service that programs chips.


    know any good PC programs that i can use to backup and flash a chip?
     
    Ozz, Oct 11, 2003
    #7
  8. Ozz

    Gary Tait Guest

    Whereas On 10 Oct 2003 17:57:41 -0700,
    (Ozz) scribbled:
    , I thus relpy:
    >Gary Tait <> wrote in message news:<>...
    >> Whereas On 9 Oct 2003 21:54:17 -0700,
    >> (Ozz) scribbled:
    >> , I thus relpy:
    >> > (Wouter van Ooijen (www.voti.nl)) wrote in message news:<4all.nl>...
    >> >> >ok guys i need to make a 32-pin PLCC programmer.. is it possible????
    >> >> >and no i dont want to pay 100 bucks for one because i cheap ;)
    >> >>
    >> >> Of course it is possible, especially if you value your time as
    >> >> $0.00/hour and are willing to spend $500 in components.
    >> >>
    >> >> But PLCC32 is a housing, not a particular chip. So exactly what chip
    >> >> do you want to program? Or do you have a DIP programmer and you want
    >> >> to make a PLCC adapter?
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >> Wouter van Ooijen
    >> >>
    >> >> -- ------------------------------------
    >> >> http://www.voti.nl
    >> >> PICmicro chips, programmers, consulting
    >> >
    >> >im looking to program
    >> >
    >> >Amd
    >> >AM29F040B
    >> >
    >> >here is a manual i found on it..
    >> >
    >> >http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/21445.pdf
    >> >
    >> >oh and the reason i dont want to buy a programmer really is because i
    >> >have no use for it but just to program one chip..
    >> >
    >> >i was thinking of maybe using a cheaplpc programmer like the ones used
    >> >to program the 32 pin xbox cheap mods but was told by someone it was
    >> >not possible.

    >>
    >> From what it appears, the modchip for the Xbox uses an SST49LF020,
    >> which has the LPC programmability, while the 29F chip is exclusively
    >> parallel program, meaning you will have to make an 8 byte read/write
    >> bus, an up to 19 bit address bus, and the R/W/CE lines for it. Now,
    >> if you could, you could probably get the LPC version of the 29F040.
    >>
    >> If you are willing to work and/or spend money, you can build a
    >> programmer.
    >>
    >> Another option, if you are savvy enough, is to use a PC or other user
    >> upgradeable Flash appliance (Eg DVD player) and hot switch the roms
    >> at the right point,.
    >>
    >> You could also build an adaptor/ wire a socket to use the JTAG on
    >> something that uses that (such as a satellite receiver).
    >>
    >> Last resort would be to find a service that programs chips.

    >
    >know any good PC programs that i can use to backup and flash a chip?


    Look into the BIOS flash programs for your motherboard manufacturer.

    Personally, I have been backing up roms using the BIOS extension
    socket on an old MFM HDD card, using Debug, or a Qbasic program (dos
    6.22 on a 386 though).

    --
    Gary J. Tait . Email is at yahoo.com ; ID:classicsat
     
    Gary Tait, Oct 11, 2003
    #8
  9. Ozz

    mike Guest

    Ozz wrote:
    > (Wouter van Ooijen (www.voti.nl)) wrote in message news:<4all.nl>...
    >
    >>>ok guys i need to make a 32-pin PLCC programmer.. is it possible????
    >>>and no i dont want to pay 100 bucks for one because i cheap ;)

    >>
    >>Of course it is possible, especially if you value your time as
    >>$0.00/hour and are willing to spend $500 in components.
    >>
    >>But PLCC32 is a housing, not a particular chip. So exactly what chip
    >>do you want to program? Or do you have a DIP programmer and you want
    >>to make a PLCC adapter?
    >>
    >>
    >>Wouter van Ooijen
    >>
    >>-- ------------------------------------
    >>http://www.voti.nl
    >>PICmicro chips, programmers, consulting

    >
    >
    > im looking to program
    >
    > Amd
    > AM29F040B
    >
    > here is a manual i found on it..
    >
    > http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/21445.pdf
    >
    > oh and the reason i dont want to buy a programmer really is because i
    > have no use for it but just to program one chip..
    >
    > i was thinking of maybe using a cheaplpc programmer like the ones used
    > to program the 32 pin xbox cheap mods but was told by someone it was
    > not possible.


    Advertise for help on a local newsgroup.
    Go visit a university electronics lab.
    Ham radio club.
    Beg for help at a local chip distributor.
    You may have to make a PLCC to DIP adapter to use a generic
    programmer. You can buy 'em but you don't want to know what they cost.
    mike

    --
    Bunch of stuff For Sale and Wanted at the link below.
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    mike, Oct 12, 2003
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