Re: Which system is better?

As to monitored systems and response time, most home security systems
basically pick up the phone, dial a number to an alarm business monitoring
station, and transmit your alarm information to the alarm company. Then the
alarm company picks up the phone and calls the police.

The problem with this is many alarm monitoring centers are out of town. They
will have one large center to serve a regional area. Sometimes the phone
lines going out of town can be busy and your alarm system may need to call
several times before it finally gets through. This is rare these days, but
still happens sometimes.

There are more expensive alarm systems available which are always connected
to a separate phone line and instantly notify the alarm company if there is
an alarm.

So you get what you pay for, but if you need "for sure" instant
notification, it is available.

Then as to response time, in some areas the police get tons of false alarms.
Burglar alarms go off, and most of the time it winds up being a malfunction
of the alarm system. So the police get to thinking alarms are a waste of
their time and take their time responding. Sometimes taking 30 minutes or
longer to respond.

But again you get what you pay for and can pay for optional services. Some
alarm companies have private armed guards who will respond to your alarm
quicker than the police. So you can have a private guard service respond as
well as the police and chances are someone will show up sooner than if you
had just the police responding.

And the alarm monitoring company has people working there. When an alarm is
transmitted to the alarm company, these people can notify anyone you want.
Maybe you have a neighbor who is a good friend. The alarm company could
notify the police and your neighbor. A neighbor would be able to get there
quicker than anyone else. Or call you on your cell phone or call you at
work. Whatever you want, mix/match!

Also a monitored alarm system can send different signals or alarms. You can
have burglar signal in which case they notify the police, fire signal in
which case they notify the fire department, and medical in which they call
the paramedics (or whoever you want). And you can have a remote control
which you carry with you and this can signal an attack by an intruder, or it
could be assigned to a medical alarm and maybe an elderly person in the home
would carry it around - press the button if having medical problems.

Or maybe you have a vacation home and the basement is prone to flooding, you
could have a water alarm and the alarm company would notify just you for
that specific signal. Or you may own a business and there is a lot of
refrigerated meat - you could monitor the temperatures in the freezers and
have the alarm company notify you (and others if you are not available) that
the temperature is above a certain point or the electricity is off or both.

Then you can have silent alarms where only a signal is sent to the alarm
company or it could also sound a local siren, bell, etc. And each signal the
alarm sends can be set as to if it sounds a local siren/bell or not. You
could have a silent burglar alarm and also a fire alarm which has an audible
alarm. These different alarms are called "zones" and can be programmed
anyway you want.


"O.B.McClintock" wrote in message
> We are modernizing our home and want a security system. I am not
> familiar with a monitored system as we have always had just a local
> alarm in the past. Can I get some honest input from people with such a
> system as to reliability and response time. This will help me make a
> decision. I am considering Electrowatchman, A.D.T., and Brinks. Maybe
> you all know of better ones. Thank you very much !!!

So you'd have the neighbor go over and get shot by the burglar...before the
police arrive...interesting concept.



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"Bill" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> As to monitored systems and response time, most home security systems
> basically pick up the phone, dial a number to an alarm business monitoring
> station, and transmit your alarm information to the alarm company. Then
> the alarm company picks up the phone and calls the police.
>
> The problem with this is many alarm monitoring centers are out of town.
> They will have one large center to serve a regional area. Sometimes the
> phone lines going out of town can be busy and your alarm system may need
> to call several times before it finally gets through. This is rare these
> days, but still happens sometimes.
>
> There are more expensive alarm systems available which are always
> connected to a separate phone line and instantly notify the alarm company
> if there is an alarm.
>
> So you get what you pay for, but if you need "for sure" instant
> notification, it is available.
>
> Then as to response time, in some areas the police get tons of false
> alarms. Burglar alarms go off, and most of the time it winds up being a
> malfunction of the alarm system. So the police get to thinking alarms are
> a waste of their time and take their time responding. Sometimes taking 30
> minutes or longer to respond.
>
> But again you get what you pay for and can pay for optional services. Some
> alarm companies have private armed guards who will respond to your alarm
> quicker than the police. So you can have a private guard service respond
> as well as the police and chances are someone will show up sooner than if
> you had just the police responding.
>
> And the alarm monitoring company has people working there. When an alarm
> is transmitted to the alarm company, these people can notify anyone you
> want. Maybe you have a neighbor who is a good friend. The alarm company
> could notify the police and your neighbor. A neighbor would be able to get
> there quicker than anyone else. Or call you on your cell phone or call you
> at work. Whatever you want, mix/match!
>
> Also a monitored alarm system can send different signals or alarms. You
> can have burglar signal in which case they notify the police, fire signal
> in which case they notify the fire department, and medical in which they
> call the paramedics (or whoever you want). And you can have a remote
> control which you carry with you and this can signal an attack by an
> intruder, or it could be assigned to a medical alarm and maybe an elderly
> person in the home would carry it around - press the button if having
> medical problems.
>
> Or maybe you have a vacation home and the basement is prone to flooding,
> you could have a water alarm and the alarm company would notify just you
> for that specific signal. Or you may own a business and there is a lot of
> refrigerated meat - you could monitor the temperatures in the freezers and
> have the alarm company notify you (and others if you are not available)
> that the temperature is above a certain point or the electricity is off or
> both.
>
> Then you can have silent alarms where only a signal is sent to the alarm
> company or it could also sound a local siren, bell, etc. And each signal
> the alarm sends can be set as to if it sounds a local siren/bell or not.
> You could have a silent burglar alarm and also a fire alarm which has an
> audible alarm. These different alarms are called "zones" and can be
> programmed anyway you want.
>
>
> "O.B.McClintock" wrote in message
>> We are modernizing our home and want a security system. I am not
>> familiar with a monitored system as we have always had just a local
>> alarm in the past. Can I get some honest input from people with such a
>> system as to reliability and response time. This will help me make a
>> decision. I am considering Electrowatchman, A.D.T., and Brinks. Maybe
>> you all know of better ones. Thank you very much !!!
>
>

"Crash Gordon" wrote in message
> So you'd have the neighbor go over and get shot by the burglar...before
> the police arrive...interesting concept.
>

Everybody lives somewhere. The police live somewhere. Military types live
somewhere. Those who work as armed guards live somewhere.

And some people might have one of these persons as a neighbor and good
friend. (Get it?)

Similar case in FL probably 15 years ago...local system with false alarm
problems (owner didn't keep it in good shape)...alarm went off the old fart
from across the street heard the siren and went over and got shot dead by
burglar.

I stopped putting in exterior sirens after that (we don't do local installs
anyway)....we don't do exterior sirens unless the buyer really really really
wants one.

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"Robert L Bass" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) ...
> "Crash Gordon" wrote:
>>
>> So you'd have the neighbor go over and get shot by the burglar...before
>> the police arrive...interesting concept.
>
> There was a case in CT years ago where an elderly man heard someone
> breaking in to his house. The alarm company called the police at the same
> time that the victim took out his rifle and started to investigate it
> himself.
>
> The thief apparently took off before the police got there. As officers
> took up positions front and back (standard police procedure in most
> places), the homeowner opened the front door and emerged carrying his
> rifle. A policeman shouted to put the gun down. Apparently not realizing
> it was a policeman, the victim turned to face the officer who immediately
> shot him.
>
> This was reported in the newspapers and ISTR it was in or around Milford,
> CT, but I'm not certain of the location. Maybe Tom remembers better since
> he worked in CT too.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
> Robert L Bass
>
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we can put them in, but have to limit siren time



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**Crash Gordon**







"tourman" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:112020c3-101b-44c5-86e5-(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Sep 2, 11:56 pm, "Crash Gordon" <webmas...@siriussystems.invalid>
> wrote:
>> Similar case in FL probably 15 years ago...local system with false alarm
>> problems (owner didn't keep it in good shape)...alarm went off the old
>> fart
>> from across the street heard the siren and went over and got shot dead by
>> burglar.
>>
>> I stopped putting in exterior sirens after that (we don't do local
>> installs
>> anyway)....we don't do exterior sirens unless the buyer really really
>> really
>> wants one.
>>
> RHC: In our jurisdiction, exterior sirens are illegal (against the
> noise bylaws). So that makes the decision easy. We can put in an
> exterior strobe light though, supposedly making it easier for police
> to find the house.....
>

we're processing signals within 35-45 seconds...client gets call in under a
minute.


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**Crash Gordon**







"Robert L Bass" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news(E-Mail Removed) ...
> "mleuck" wrote:
>>
>> Maybe to those who's central station is in someone's spare bedroom
>> however a real central station usually does it in less than a minute
>
> Bullshit!
>

> 4. ???? You finally admit there is an integer between 3 and 5! History
> in the making.
>

Yanno, I've always wondered where the "there is no four" came from.

Anyone remember?

mleuck wrote:
> On Sep 4, 7:43 pm, JoeRaisin <JoeRai...@charter.net> wrote:
>>> 4. ???? You finally admit there is an integer between 3 and 5! History
>>> in the making.
>> Yanno, I've always wondered where the "there is no four" came from.
>>
>> Anyone remember?
>
> It came from me

Would you be kind enough to elaborate?

I find myself mighty curious...

ah the liability of an operator making a judgment call on exactly what she
is, is or is not hearing...

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**Crash Gordon**







"too fat for a ladder" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Sep 6, 8:04 pm, tourman <robercampb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 6, 5:10 pm, mleuck <m.le...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sep 6, 12:25 pm, too fat for a ladder <alarminst...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > On Sep 5, 10:38 pm, mleuck <m.le...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > On Sep 5, 11:05 am, Frank Olson
>>
>> > > > <use_the_email_li...@yoursecuritysource.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > If so, the operators don't even see the alarm if it's turned
>> > > > > > off
>> > > > > > by the client within 30 seconds.
>>
>> > > > > We don't use a dialler delay (if that's what you're meaning). I
>> > > > > have
>> > > > > yet to see a client disarm a system within 30 seconds of an
>> > > > > alarm,
>>
>> > > > That's a joke right? Most customers I've seen have no problem
>> > > > disarming within that amount of time, if they can't then they've
>> > > > forgotten the code or something. <
>>
>> > > 90% of the bullshit would be solved if these lemonheads would start
>> > > using 2 way voice, but why spend a few extra bucks on something that
>> > > might save a life or reduce false dispatches?
>> > > Dialer delays further expose the end user's safety and security in a
>> > > true emergency. Dialer delays should be tossed out the door.
>>
>> > I second the 2-way voice recommendation
>>
>> RHC: Whaaaat....are you guys joking? This is what Alarmfarce push in
>> their bullshit pitches.....Tom, this is NOT funny......)) <
>
> Bob just because AlarmForce offers 2 way voice that doesn't make that
> particular quality of monitoring out to be bullshit. Using your logic
> then your company, and anyone else using digital monitoring must be
> pitching bullshit because that's what Crimebusters/ABC Security
> offers.
> I recommend you sit through a demonstration of 2 way voice response
> before jumping to conclusions. When properly installed it is 1000x
> better than digital could ever be. 2 way puts the operator in the
> house with you. The operator is able to monitor the situation even if
> you can't get to the phone. I'll finish this later because the wife is
> pitching a bitch.
>
>
>

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Bill wrote:

> As to monitored systems and response time, most home security systems
> basically pick up the phone, dial a number to an alarm business
> monitoring
> station, and transmit your alarm information to the alarm company. Then
> the
> alarm company picks up the phone and calls the police.

> The problem with this is many alarm monitoring centers are out of town.
> They
> will have one large center to serve a regional area. Sometimes the
> phone
> lines going out of town can be busy and your alarm system may need to
> call
> several times before it finally gets through. This is rare these days,
> but
> still happens sometimes.

> There are more expensive alarm systems available which are always
> connected
> to a separate phone line and instantly notify the alarm company if
> there is
> an alarm.

> So you get what you pay for, but if you need "for sure"
> instant
> notification, it is available.

> Then as to response time, in some areas the police get tons of false
> alarms.
> Burglar alarms go off, and most of the time it winds up being a
> malfunction
> of the alarm system. So the police get to thinking alarms are a waste
> of
> their time and take their time responding. Sometimes taking 30 minutes
> or
> longer to respond.

> But again you get what you pay for and can pay for optional services.
> Some
> alarm companies have private armed guards who will respond to your
> alarm
> quicker than the police. So you can have a private guard service
> respond as
> well as the police and chances are someone will show up sooner than if
> you
> had just the police responding.

> And the alarm monitoring company has people working there. When an
> alarm is
> transmitted to the alarm company, these people can notify anyone you
> want.
> Maybe you have a neighbor who is a good friend. The alarm company could

> notify the police and your neighbor. A neighbor would be able to get
> there
> quicker than anyone else. Or call you on your cell phone or call you at

> work. Whatever you want, mix/match!

> Also a monitored alarm system can send different signals or alarms. You
> can
> have burglar signal in which case they notify the police, fire signal
> in
> which case they notify the fire department, and medical in which they
> call
> the paramedics (or whoever you want). And you can have a remote control

> which you carry with you and this can signal an attack by an intruder,
> or it
> could be assigned to a medical alarm and maybe an elderly person in the
> home
> would carry it around - press the button if having medical problems.

> Or maybe you have a vacation home and the basement is prone to
> flooding, you
> could have a water alarm and the alarm company would notify just you
> for
> that specific signal. Or you may own a business and there is a lot of
> refrigerated meat - you could monitor the temperatures in the freezers
> and
> have the alarm company notify you (and others if you are not available)
> that
> the temperature is above a certain point or the electricity is off or
> both.

> Then you can have silent alarms where only a signal is sent to the
> alarm
> company or it could also sound a local siren, bell, etc. And each
> signal the
> alarm sends can be set as to if it sounds a local siren/bell or not.
> You
> could have a silent burglar alarm and also a fire alarm which has an
> audible
> alarm. These different alarms are called "zones" and can be
> programmed
> anyway you want.


> "O.B.McClintock" wrote in message
>> We are modernizing our home and want a security system. I am not
>> familiar with a monitored system as we have always had just a
>> local
>> alarm in the past. Can I get some honest input from people with
>> such a
>> system as to reliability and response time. This will help me make
>> a
>> decision. I am considering Electrowatchman, A.D.T., and Brinks.
>> Maybe
>> you all know of better ones. Thank you very much !!!