Re: [OT] : IEEE articles

<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> I'm an student and need three or four articles from IEEE Xplore
> regarding load flow which i can't find in the web. Would someone be so
> king to send me his password?, i promise to only print those few
> documents and erase it afterwards.
>
> Best regards.
> David.
>

What you are suggesting is illegal, not to mention unethical.

Charles Perry P.E.

In article <(E-Mail Removed) .com>,
(E-Mail Removed) writes:
>
> You're not entitled to assess wheter it might be legal or not, to do
> so you've to provide both a complete set of laws and a judge, then you
> can sue me and finally make that assessment. However there's an easiest
> alternative, shut up your mouth.
>
> You're also not entitled to assess wheter it might be ethical or not,
> to do so you've to provide both a complete set of experiences and an
> human beging, then you can make that assessment. However there's an
> easiest alternative, consider ethic as fuzzy facts and only trigger
> your mouth in a threshold based upon some knowledge about the person
> you're talking about.

Well, you sound like just the sort of chap people will be
falling over themselves to help out...

--
Andrew Gabriel

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> Charles Perry ha escrito:
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>> What you are suggesting is illegal, not to mention unethical.
>>
>> Charles Perry P.E.
>
> You're not entitled to assess wheter it might be legal or not, to do
> so you've to provide both a complete set of laws and a judge, then you
> can sue me and finally make that assessment. However there's an easiest
> alternative, shut up your mouth.

Actually, copywrite law is pretty clear in this case. I suggest you
consider a course in intellectual property rights. When (probably closer to
"if") you graduate, you will not like it when someone steals your work.

>
> You're also not entitled to assess wheter it might be ethical or not,
> to do so you've to provide both a complete set of experiences and an
> human beging, then you can make that assessment.

Actually I do not need to know anything about someone when determining if
stealing is ethical or not. It is a shame that an engineering ethics course
was not part of your formal education.


Charles Perry P.E.

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> Charles Perry ha escrito:
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>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> > Charles Perry ha escrito:
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>> >
>>
>> Actually, copywrite law is pretty clear in this case. I suggest you
>> consider a course in intellectual property rights. When (probably closer
>> to
>> "if") you graduate, you will not like it when someone steals your work.
>
> The problem lays on the assumptions you've made, yes, that is what
> engineering is about, but you've made quite a few. You seem not to
> understand you're not the one to say if it's illegal or not,
> furthermore, those issues always concerns some particular
> country/state.

You seem not to understand that IEEE documents are protected by
international copywrite law. I don't have to decide if it is illegal, it is
clearly stated in the copywrite and license agreements for IEEE documents.

>
>> Actually I do not need to know anything about someone when determining if
>> stealing is ethical or not. It is a shame that an engineering ethics
>> course
>> was not part of your formal education.
>
> The term 'stealing' seems vague to me at best, i for one don't give a
> damn for what you think it's ethical or not. Rather i should bother
> about what the authors of those papers think, do we ask them?. Some
> proponents simply dislike the idea of paying for standards and
> technical papers, and would be reluctant to consider it 'stealing', for
> example, some few people that contributed to the large iso/iec 14882
> standard consider that it should be for free, some friends of mine that
> contributed to the IEEE with their final project, some others have
> died, etc. For the records, had i the money i'd get the membership,
> since i don't i act as think i should when it comes to software, books
> or papers, i get what i need and when it's feasible, i refund the
> money. I understand you find it unethical but you don't understand some
> don't share your opinion.

You admitted you steal software, and think it is ok. That is rather sad
coming from someone who will make their living from intellectual property.
When you work on an IEEE standard, or submit a paper, you agree to their
terms (same with IEC). If you don't like the terms, you shouldn't
participate.

BTW, I work on IEEE standards and present papers at IEEE conferences and I
do not think they should be free. It takes money to support standards
development.

Charles Perry P.E.
IEEE Senior Member

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> Charles Perry ha escrito:
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> I carefully read what it's stated and i didn't see you had rights to
> save the streaming audio.

I didn't save it. I contacted NPR and received a copy from them.

>Besides you seem to be into audiobooks and
> tons of mp3, so be careful not to steal anything.

I actually buy my audio books and music. It is an interesting concept:
paying for what you use. Perhaps you should study it sometime.

Charles Perry P.E.

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> Charles Perry ha escrito:
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> > You seem not to understand that IEEE documents are protected by
> > international copywrite law. I don't have to decide if it is illegal,
it is
> > clearly stated in the copywrite and license agreements for IEEE
documents.
>
>
> No, it's not. I've yet to see some standard or book with the words
> 'legal' or 'illegal'. In my opinion is the judge who has to decide if
> the copy was legal or not based on the copyright.
>
> Best regards.
> David.
>
This prat is just trying to wind people up, I bet his juvenile head buttons
up the back, ignore these twats. Hasta la cochones.
Jaymack

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John McLean ha escrito:

> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> >
> > Charles Perry ha escrito:
> >
> > > You seem not to understand that IEEE documents are protected by
> > > international copywrite law. I don't have to decide if it is illegal,
> it is
> > > clearly stated in the copywrite and license agreements for IEEE
> documents.
> >
> >
> > No, it's not. I've yet to see some standard or book with the words
> > 'legal' or 'illegal'. In my opinion is the judge who has to decide if
> > the copy was legal or not based on the copyright.
> >
> > Best regards.
> > David.
> >
> This prat is just trying to wind people up, I bet his juvenile head
buttons
> up the back, ignore these twats. Hasta la cochones.
> Jaymack


Bwahaaha, if that's all you have to say, you'd better keep your
mouth closed, or did you want an emotional response?, yeah!, ok, now a
few spanish lessons for free.

Jayass, que te den por el culo <-- ey Jaymac, **** off and die.
Los gilipollas como tú que basan sus respuestas en hechos
emocionales me la chupan <--- mother****ers like you using emotionals
responses eat my dick.

Ey, please, John McLean, since you're void as an engineer i presume,
at least you can eat my dick, or even better, tell your sister and
mother to do it in your behalf, hijo de la gran puta!!, bwahahaha.

You've cracked up arsehole, what are you on: - funny fags, coke or are you
just being your sad self? The guys in the white coats are coming to get you.