Re: The CFA de-bagged (Was: Re: First "Del" and now "D'Alembertian"!)

I have always used the CFA as a mobile antenna!

Get with the program people, you will be hard pressed to find a better
antenna for this purpose!

As a shack antenna, it sucks!

However, what other antenna can you chuck a motor into, slap a
steering wheel and horn on and drive?

You guys are all wet, as usual... <satisfied-smirk>

John

"Polymath" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Actually, just did a quick webbing and found enough to
> realise that the claims are founded upon feet of clay.....
>
> 1. You do not separately excite the E and H fields because
> if you excite an E field, you get a corresponding H field, and
> vice-versa,
> even if it is your intention to excite separately.
>
> 2. The differential forms of Maxwell describe the fields at _EVERY_
> infinitesimal point and there is no way that the attempt to excite
> two
> separate fields from two separate mechanical contrivances will
> result
> in registration at every single point. Indeed, it is doubtful that
> registration
> will be achieved at all at any infinitesimal point. In any case, as
> in (1) above,
> your E field will have its H, and your H field will have its E field
> already.
>
> 3. In the accepted equations describing the generated field,
> radiation comes only
> from accelerating charges. Thus the capacitive elements of the CFA
> will
> create the near field (decaying as 1/(r^2)) but not any radiated
> field
> (decaying as 1/r). I wonder if the measurements resulting in the
> claims
> for the CFA were made in the near field?
>
> I wonder if the whole thing is intended as an elaborate hoax, and
> that the
> authors, in their original paper in Wireless World, relied on the
> fact that
> most readers' eyes would glaze over when faced with the maths of
> vector
> fields? (Remember, that in this NG we've had someone who boasts of
> two degrees, one in maths and the other in electronics, stating that
> e^(-jwt)
> is a function that decreases with increasing time, thus indicating
> that the
> awarding of a degree together with the professing of mathematical
> equations is no guarantee of competence!)
>
> I suggest
> http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teachin...es/node53.html etc
> as a good revising/learning/debunking cookbook. (Don't start from
> node 53!)
>
> "Polymath" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> I've just about got enough elec-and-mag theory to be
>> able to understand the claims made for the GM3HAT
>> CFA; any pointers to the patent claims?
>>
>>
>
>

On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:53:42 -0700, "John Smith"
<(E-Mail Removed)> Gave us:

>You guys are all wet, as usual... <satisfied-smirk>
>

I suppose then that you consider yourself to be firmly grounded in
reality.

Firmly grounded?

Actually, when I am finished installing the mercedes turbo-jet engine
in the CFA, I plan on flying it!--well, after installing the carbon
graphite wings...

John

"NunYa Bidness" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:53:42 -0700, "John Smith"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> Gave us:
>
>>You guys are all wet, as usual... <satisfied-smirk>
>>
>
> I suppose then that you consider yourself to be firmly grounded in
> reality.

OK.

It is like this, years ago, in the 1980's, when telnet was still being
used on the predecessors of newsgroups, there was no way to logically
organize "posts."

Still, into the 90's, most all "news clients" lacked any meaningful
way to organize threads and/or posts.

At the end of the 90's a few news clients managed to "get-it-together"
and organize threads and posts with pretty good results.

Now it is 2005. Windows xp comes with a completely functional news
reader which holds threads and posts in perfect order--no longer do I
have to have the text being responded to placed above the text which
is being issued in response. Still, many ancient news readers are in
use, and the users have not bothered to upgrade them. Also, many are
reading these posts from webpages...

That is all their responsibility now, if they are unwilling or unable
to setup a decent news reader and come up to speed, that is their
problem--there is NO longer a real need to bottom post, indeed, it
only slows down ones interaction with the group and places an
un-necessary burden to be cutting and pruning text...

.... the etiquette and use manuals of usenet need upgrading ...

I will be top posting...

end of story...

John

"NunYa Bidness" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 05:24:20 -0700, "John Smith"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> Gave us:
>
>>Firmly grounded?
>
> Yes. You made an all wet joke. I made an electrical joke that you
> should have gotten.
>>
>>Actually, when I am finished installing the mercedes turbo-jet
>>engine
>>in the CFA, I plan on flying it!--well, after installing the carbon
>>graphite wings...
>
> Perhaps you did.
>
> Top posting is very bad.

oh yeah...

It is a half-wave CFA. No ground plane/counterpoise is needed...
I live in calif, who worries about lightning here...
<grin>

John

"NunYa Bidness" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 05:24:20 -0700, "John Smith"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> Gave us:
>
>>Firmly grounded?
>
> Yes. You made an all wet joke. I made an electrical joke that you
> should have gotten.
>>
>>Actually, when I am finished installing the mercedes turbo-jet
>>engine
>>in the CFA, I plan on flying it!--well, after installing the carbon
>>graphite wings...
>
> Perhaps you did.
>
> Top posting is very bad.

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:27:56 -0700, "John Smith"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>I will be top posting...

And I will be killfiling you, like all other top-posting fools ....
because top-posters invariably have nothing to say that is worth
reading.

Goodbye.

--
Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @despammed.com

Ohh gee:

Killfiled

What if I told ya to shove the whole killfile up yer bum, would that
make it ok?

ROFLOL

"Walt Davidson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:27:56 -0700, "John Smith"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>I will be top posting...
>
> And I will be killfiling you, like all other top-posting fools ....
> because top-posters invariably have nothing to say that is worth
> reading.
>
> Goodbye.
>
> --
> Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy
> @despammed.com

And I thought you Brits were supposed to be so tolerant of diversity... Here
I find you making broad generalizations based on the position of words on a
screen. One can only assume you are a narrow minded word position bigot! You
will be doomed to hell for your non politically correct speech, possibly
even jailed for hate speech...

"Walt Davidson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:27:56 -0700, "John Smith"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> >I will be top posting...
>
> And I will be killfiling you, like all other top-posting fools ....
> because top-posters invariably have nothing to say that is worth
> reading.
>
> Goodbye.
>
> --
> Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @despammed.com

Nunya:

Look, I am not even going to take the time to read all that crap.

If you want to say something to me, don't intermingle it together with
all the text I just wrote, I remember what I wrote, just write a damn
reply...

However, I think the jest (haha) of your text attempts to make me
format my text for your text reader--get a clue buddy, if you want to
read it, you format it!!!

Killfile me otherwise, I will be crushed, but I will get over it...

John

"NunYa Bidness" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:27:56 -0700, "John Smith"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> Gave us:
>
>>OK.
>>
>>It is like this, years ago, in the 1980's, when telnet was still
>>being
>>used on the predecessors of newsgroups, there was no way to
>>logically
>>organize "posts."
>
> I think that you have history problems.
>>
>>Still, into the 90's, most all "news clients" lacked any meaningful
>>way to organize threads and/or posts.
>
> I know that you have history problems.
>>
>>At the end of the 90's a few news clients managed to
>>"get-it-together"
>>and organize threads and posts with pretty good results.
>
> I think that you have a problem with opinion over fact as well.
>
>>
>>Now it is 2005. Windows xp comes with a completely functional news
>>reader which holds threads and posts in perfect order--no longer do
>>I
>>have to have the text being responded to placed above the text which
>>is being issued in response.
>
> Guess what? You are not the only person that is reading a thread,
> and those that are are not all on windows xp. Outlook express is a
> dog. It has also been around way longer than XP has.
>
> You assume way too much, and those assumptions have ALWAYS screwed
> up someone that doesn't live in your perfect world of "organized
> articles".
>
> There are protocols in place for this very reason, and all the
> logic
> you throw at it doesn't change that fact.
>
>> Still, many ancient news readers are in
>>use, and the users have not bothered to upgrade them.
>
> That has not a thing to do with the problem. Your opinion about
> what is or is not a good news reader has NO bearing on proper
> protocol. The problem is that posters such as yourself ASSUME way
> too
> much, and no one else in the world needs to cater to YOUR idea of
> what
> is modern. Again, Outhouse Express is a total dog. That opinion is
> held in the eyes of many.
>
>> Also, many are
>>reading these posts from webpages...
>
> Another tragic screw up. Especially when they reply from web
> access.
>
>>That is all their responsibility now, if they are unwilling or
>>unable
>>to setup a decent news reader and come up to speed, that is their
>>problem
>
> I find that you are unwilling or to stupid to understand the fact
> that not everyone even reads news the way you do. I happen to read
> posts chronologically, despite my reader's capacity to show threads
> in
> a grouped manner. That is a choice. Deciding to throw out the
> standard accepted decades long protocols based on your opinion of
> what
> is or is not modern is just plain arrogant ignorance.
>
>>--there is NO longer a real need to bottom post, indeed, it
>>only slows down ones interaction with the group and places an
>>un-necessary burden to be cutting and pruning text...
>
> You are NOT anyone that can declare such a thing.
>>
>>... the etiquette and use manuals of usenet need upgrading ...
>
> Your brain needs to conform. That is the only upgrade required.
>
> You claim others haven't gotten up to your modern standard and that
> is where YOU are wrong. Despite any news reader clients capacity
> for
> sorting articles, it is ALWAYS proper to make the post in a manner
> such that a person reading ONLY that post can garner the gist of the
> article WITHOUT any requisite to read additional articles. THAT is
> the whole point. Not only that, but you idiots invariably quote the
> entire article to which you respond, which is another mistake.
>
>>I will be top posting...
>
> You are stupid... You utilization of Outhouse Express proves that
> beyond a doubt. I am surprised that you aren't posting in HTML and
> defending that as well. What a total ditz you must be.
>
>>end of story...
>
> End of fact finding and declaring mission.

Fred:

I hate to admit it, but that made me damn near split a gut! <lol>

John

"Fred W4JLE" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:efc12$42e29c3d$471c636a$(E-Mail Removed)...
> And I thought you Brits were supposed to be so tolerant of
> diversity... Here
> I find you making broad generalizations based on the position of
> words on a
> screen. One can only assume you are a narrow minded word position
> bigot! You
> will be doomed to hell for your non politically correct speech,
> possibly
> even jailed for hate speech...
>
> "Walt Davidson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:27:56 -0700, "John Smith"
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>> >I will be top posting...
>>
>> And I will be killfiling you, like all other top-posting fools ....
>> because top-posters invariably have nothing to say that is worth
>> reading.
>>
>> Goodbye.
>>
>> --
>> Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy
>> @despammed.com
>
>