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Fred Shecter
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      05-02-2007, 07:26 PM
http://images.google.com/images?sour...&q=leonov+2010

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"Bill Higgins" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Friends, I have a puzzle for you.
>
> What spacecraft is over my head in this picture?
>
> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/beamjockey/350870509/>
>
> In September, I visited a terrific place, the American Museum of the Moving Image, in
> Queens, New York, New York. See my brief review of it in my blog at
> <http://beamjockey.livejournal.com/45027.html>.
>
> Hanging from the ceiling are models from the 1984 film *2010*; one is part of a world,
> the other is a spacecraft. They are labeled as being models of the Moon and of
> *Discovery* (a spacecraft you'll also recall from *2001: A Space Odyssey*).
>
> I decided the exhibit was mislabeled. The world is obviously Io, big orange moon of
> Jupiter-- much of the action of *2010* takes place in orbit around Io.
>
> Since the spacecraft did not resemble *Discovery* much, I leapt to the conclusion that
> it was the *Leonov*, with which I was less familiar. I labeled it that way in my Flickr
> caption of the photo I took.
>
> Yesterday I heard from Miriam Posner, AMMI's Collections and Research Manager. She had
> spotted my photo online and was concerned about correcting the exhibit label. She
> pointed out that the model doesn't really look like the *Leonov* either. So I am wrong
> about that.
>
> She offers two more images of the exhibit:
>
> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/beamjockey/481584128/>
> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/beamjockey/481584132/>
>
> So if it isn't *Discovery* and it isn't *Leonov*, what is it?
>
> My best guess at present is this: The model is a section of the long "spine" of
> *Discovery* built for a close-up, or a small portion of a much larger model. The flat
> boxes are the repeated "fuel modules" arranged in a triangle around the central spine.
>
> If so, the similarities ought to be apparent in stills from the original movie, *2001*.
> (Models from that production were destroyed, so the folks who made *2010* had to build
> duplicate models and sets based on photos.)
>
> See <http://www.palantir.net/2001/tma1/pics/ae3508.jpg> for a decent shot of this
> arrangement.
>
> This view does not show as much detail, but gives a different angle:
> <http://www.palantir.net/2001/tma1/pics/ae3506.jpg>
>
> This view shows the whole ship from the side, and the repeated symmetry of the fuel
> modules is apparent: <http://www.palantir.net/2001/tma1/pics/ae3506.jpg>
>
> Stills from *2010* are not as common on the Web, but here is one:
> <http://www.physics.hku.hk/~tboyce/sf/assignments/2010/2010_large_07.jpg>
>
> Can you confirm or refute my hypothesis?
>
> Is the size of this section consistent with a large *Discovery* model built for *2010*,
> or was it made for a closeup?
>
> Can you spot a shot of this model within the film?
>
> Is there a "Making of" book, article, or documentary where this model can be seen?
>
> Does it really represent some other spacecraft that can be identified?
>
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Andre Lieven
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      05-02-2007, 10:39 PM
"Fred Shecter" ((E-Mail Removed)) writes:
> http://images.google.com/images?sour...&q=leonov+2010


Looking at all the photos, I would say that the spacecraft section hanging
in that exhibit is a close up piece of USS Discovery's spine that likely
was used for a shot in 2010 where the docking clamp of the Leonov grabs
onto the central spine of the Discovery. This was to allow Discovery's engines
to be used as a first stage in order to send Leonov away from Jupiter space
before Leonov's nominal launch window was available.

The moon model is Io.

> "Bill Higgins" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed) l.gov...
>> Friends, I have a puzzle for you.
>>
>> What spacecraft is over my head in this picture?
>>
>> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/beamjockey/350870509/>
>>
>> In September, I visited a terrific place, the American Museum of the Moving
>> Image, in Queens, New York, New York. See my brief review of it in my blog
>> at <http://beamjockey.livejournal.com/45027.html>.
>>
>> Hanging from the ceiling are models from the 1984 film *2010*; one is part
>> of a world, the other is a spacecraft. They are labeled as being models
>> of the Moon and of *Discovery* (a spacecraft you'll also recall from *2001:
>> A Space Odyssey*).
>>
>> I decided the exhibit was mislabeled. The world is obviously Io, big
>> orange moon of Jupiter-- much of the action of *2010* takes place in orbit
>> around Io.
>>
>> Since the spacecraft did not resemble *Discovery* much, I leapt to the
>> conclusion that it was the *Leonov*, with which I was less familiar. I
>> labeled it that way in my Flickr caption of the photo I took.
>>
>> Yesterday I heard from Miriam Posner, AMMI's Collections and Research
>> Manager. She had spotted my photo online and was concerned about
>> correcting the exhibit label. She pointed out that the model doesn't
>> really look like the *Leonov* either. So I am wrong about that.
>>
>> She offers two more images of the exhibit:
>>
>> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/beamjockey/481584128/>
>> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/beamjockey/481584132/>
>>
>> So if it isn't *Discovery* and it isn't *Leonov*, what is it?
>>
>> My best guess at present is this: The model is a section of the long
>> "spine" of *Discovery* built for a close-up, or a small portion of a much
>> larger model. The flat boxes are the repeated "fuel modules" arranged in
>> a triangle around the central spine.
>>
>> If so, the similarities ought to be apparent in stills from the original
>> movie, *2001*. (Models from that production were destroyed, so the folks
>> who made *2010* had to build duplicate models and sets based on photos.)
>>
>> See <http://www.palantir.net/2001/tma1/pics/ae3508.jpg> for a decent shot
>> of this arrangement.
>>
>> This view does not show as much detail, but gives a different angle:
>> <http://www.palantir.net/2001/tma1/pics/ae3506.jpg>
>>
>> This view shows the whole ship from the side, and the repeated symmetry of
>> the fuel modules is apparent:
>> <http://www.palantir.net/2001/tma1/pics/ae3506.jpg>
>>
>> Stills from *2010* are not as common on the Web, but here is one:
>> <http://www.physics.hku.hk/~tboyce/sf/assignments/2010/2010_large_07.jpg>
>>
>> Can you confirm or refute my hypothesis?
>>
>> Is the size of this section consistent with a large *Discovery* model built
>> for *2010*, or was it made for a closeup?
>>
>> Can you spot a shot of this model within the film?
>>
>> Is there a "Making of" book, article, or documentary where this model can
>> be seen?
>>
>> Does it really represent some other spacecraft that can be identified?


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