Any Smart DumbAss in here knows How to Increase the Capacitance of Electrolyte Capacitor?

Hello folks,

I am getting cheap these days, I am trying to cut corner by tripling the
capacitance in the capacitor, is this possible? I have heard that it's
possible. Some people have done it successfully. I am just wondering if
any of you smart dumbass can help.

Any way, I would appreciate your help.



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Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Hi,
Of course it can be done. Just apply voltage. The presence of a bias voltage
increases the capacitance of a capacitor due to the presence of the charge,
it produces an effective reduction in plate spacing.

Of course you could try patent 4828738 or 7206192 as well but they look a
little complicated and expensive for your tightarse budget

Regards
Greg

"Michael A. Terrell" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:fr0f8r$1f3$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hello folks,
>
> I am getting cheap these days, I am trying to cut corner by tripling the
> capacitance in the capacitor, is this possible? I have heard that it's
> possible. Some people have done it successfully. I am just wondering if
> any of you smart dumbass can help.
>
> Any way, I would appreciate your help.
>
>
>
> --
> Service to my evil master? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD666 to
> prove it.
> Member of DAV #666.
>
> Michael A. Terrell
> Central Florida
>
>
>
>

On Mar 9, 10:47*am, "Michael*A.*Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> Hello folks,
>
> I am getting cheap these days, I am trying to cut corner by tripling the
> capacitance in the capacitor, is this possible? *I have heard that it's
> possible. *Some people have done it successfully. *I am just wonderingif
> any of you smart dumbass can help.
>
> Any way, I would appreciate your help.
>
> --
> Service to my evil master? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD666 to
> prove it.
> Member of DAV #666.
>
> Michael A. Terrell
> Central Florida

On Mar 9, 10:47*am, "Michael*A.*Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> Hello folks,
>
> I am getting cheap these days, I am trying to cut corner by tripling the
> capacitance in the capacitor, is this possible? *I have heard that it's
> possible. *Some people have done it successfully. *I am just wonderingif
> any of you smart dumbass can help.

If you weren't quite the ill-informed idiot that you are, you'd know
that the dielectric in an electrolytic capacitor is formed by the
electrolytic oxidation of the surface of the aluminium foil the forms
the plates of the capacitor.

If you reverse bias the capacitor you can reverse this process, making
the dielectric thinner ( and more likely to break down). Sadly, the
reverse process is unlikely to thin the oxide layer to exactly the
same extent at every point, so you run the risk of lowering the
breakdown voltage faster than you increase the capacitance.

As cheap goes, this about a poor and investment of your time as you
could make - short of slandering me in this user group which however
does seem to give you some kind of demented satisfaction - but do try
it. You won't enjoy the process at all, but does that worry me?

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

On Sun, 9 Mar 2008 04:42:53 -0700 (PDT), (E-Mail Removed) wrote:

>On Mar 9, 10:47*am, "Michael*A.*Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
>wrote:
>> Hello folks,
>>
>> I am getting cheap these days, I am trying to cut corner by tripling the
>> capacitance in the capacitor, is this possible? *I have heard that it's
>> possible. *Some people have done it successfully. *I am just wondering if
>> any of you smart dumbass can help.
>
>If you weren't quite the ill-informed idiot that you are, you'd know
>that the dielectric in an electrolytic capacitor is formed by the
>electrolytic oxidation of the surface of the aluminium foil the forms
>the plates of the capacitor.
>
>If you reverse bias the capacitor you can reverse this process, making
>the dielectric thinner ( and more likely to break down). Sadly, the
>reverse process is unlikely to thin the oxide layer to exactly the
>same extent at every point, so you run the risk of lowering the
>breakdown voltage faster than you increase the capacitance.
>
>As cheap goes, this about a poor and investment of your time as you
>could make - short of slandering me in this user group which however
>does seem to give you some kind of demented satisfaction - but do try
>it. You won't enjoy the process at all, but does that worry me?

Agree. Use a strong power supply (3A or more), use high voltages. And
listen carefully, you can actually hear the capacitance grow.

P.

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On Mar 9, 10:47 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> Hello folks,
>
> I am getting cheap these days, I am trying to cut corner by tripling the
> capacitance in the capacitor, is this possible? I have heard that it's
> possible. Some people have done it successfully. I am just wondering if
> any of you smart dumbass can help.

If you weren't quite the ill-informed idiot that you are, you'd know
that the dielectric in an electrolytic capacitor is formed by the
electrolytic oxidation of the surface of the aluminium foil the forms
the plates of the capacitor.

If you reverse bias the capacitor you can reverse this process, making
the dielectric thinner ( and more likely to break down). Sadly, the
reverse process is unlikely to thin the oxide layer to exactly the
same extent at every point, so you run the risk of lowering the
breakdown voltage faster than you increase the capacitance.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen



Right, I agree with your blabla... except how do you convert existing
capacitors into a higher capacitance without starting from scratch as you
suggested?


--
Service to my evil master? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD666 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #666.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

"Pieter" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Sun, 9 Mar 2008 04:42:53 -0700 (PDT), (E-Mail Removed) wrote:
>
>>On Mar 9, 10:47 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
>>wrote:
>>> Hello folks,
>>>
>>> I am getting cheap these days, I am trying to cut corner by tripling
>>> the
>>> capacitance in the capacitor, is this possible? I have heard that it's
>>> possible. Some people have done it successfully. I am just wondering
>>> if
>>> any of you smart dumbass can help.
>>
>>If you weren't quite the ill-informed idiot that you are, you'd know
>>that the dielectric in an electrolytic capacitor is formed by the
>>electrolytic oxidation of the surface of the aluminium foil the forms
>>the plates of the capacitor.
>>
>>If you reverse bias the capacitor you can reverse this process, making
>>the dielectric thinner ( and more likely to break down). Sadly, the
>>reverse process is unlikely to thin the oxide layer to exactly the
>>same extent at every point, so you run the risk of lowering the
>>breakdown voltage faster than you increase the capacitance.
>>
>>As cheap goes, this about a poor and investment of your time as you
>>could make - short of slandering me in this user group which however
>>does seem to give you some kind of demented satisfaction - but do try
>>it. You won't enjoy the process at all, but does that worry me?
>
> Agree. Use a strong power supply (3A or more), use high voltages. And
> listen carefully, you can actually hear the capacitance grow.
>
> P.



Oh Cheese, whatta recommendation!!! No, thanks, I pass. I am not going
to change the power supply just to get higher capacitance....


--
Service to my evil master? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD666 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #666.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

On Sun, 9 Mar 2008 04:42:53 -0700 (PDT), (E-Mail Removed) wrote:

>On Mar 9, 10:47*am, "Michael*A.*Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
>wrote:
>> Hello folks,
>>
>> I am getting cheap these days, I am trying to cut corner by tripling the
>> capacitance in the capacitor, is this possible? *I have heard that it's
>> possible. *Some people have done it successfully. *I am just wondering if
>> any of you smart dumbass can help.
>
>If you weren't quite the ill-informed idiot that you are, you'd know
>that the dielectric in an electrolytic capacitor is formed by the
>electrolytic oxidation of the surface of the aluminium foil the forms
>the plates of the capacitor.

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"Michael A. Terrell" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Right, I agree with your blabla... except how do you convert existing
> capacitors into a higher capacitance without starting from scratch as
> you suggested?

e-bay

On Mar 9, 2:40*pm, John Fields <jfie...@austininstruments.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Mar 2008 04:42:53 -0700 (PDT), bill.slo...@ieee.org wrote:
> >On Mar 9, 10:47*am, "Michael*A.*Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
> >wrote:
> >> Hello folks,
>
> >> I am getting cheap these days, I am trying to cut corner by tripling the
> >> capacitance in the capacitor, is this possible? *I have heard that it's
> >> possible. *Some people have done it successfully. *I am just wondering if
> >> any of you smart dumbass can help.
>
> >If you weren't quite the ill-informed idiot that you are, you'd know
> >that the dielectric in an electrolytic capacitor is formed by the
> >electrolytic oxidation of the surface of the aluminium foil the forms
> >the plates of the capacitor.
>
> ---
> LOL, hook, line, and sinker! :

http://www.vcomp.co.uk/tech_tips/ref...eform_caps.htm

If you weren't another uninformed idiot, you'd realise that the
proposition is at least potentionaly rational, even though Michael
Terrell is the source. It would be a daft thing to do, but could work,
after a fashion.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen